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    Quote Originally Posted by IoannisTipbet View Post
    Last years, industry has changed tremendously. Affiliates and operators have to adapt for fair and long term collaboration. Actually, this is our objective at Tipbet
    "Last years, industry has changed tremendously."

    Unfortunately into the wrong direction.
    After some months last year that gave hope, the quota wave strikes back.

    This is the wrong trend if it is the "objective at Tipbet" to "adapt for fair and long term collaboration".

    Big webmasters are working also with prepaid positions and special deals.
    But the majority of webmasters - the small ones - can't live with quotas, with a stressful situation every month.
    A successful business relationship is based on happyness, rather than on pressure.

    You should remove your quotas. It's no problem to reduce the commission with 2% if the quotas are calculated into your business plan and you must finance the quotas in another way. Even with a slight smaller commission you will earn more in the long run, because the "big ones" are working with different preferences.

    Why a program always must offer 30, 40 or 50 %?
    Looks 28, 38 or 48 % really so stupid?
    Webmaster are - the moment they are active as a webmaster - no consumers who are running for every special or rounded offer into the store.

    Leopold

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung View Post
    "Last years, industry has changed tremendously."

    Unfortunately into the wrong direction.
    After some months last year that gave hope, the quota wave strikes back.

    This is the wrong trend if it is the "objective at Tipbet" to "adapt for fair and long term collaboration".

    Big webmasters are working also with prepaid positions and special deals.
    But the majority of webmasters - the small ones - can't live with quotas, with a stressful situation every month.
    A successful business relationship is based on happyness, rather than on pressure.

    You should remove your quotas. It's no problem to reduce the commission with 2% if the quotas are calculated into your business plan and you must finance the quotas in another way. Even with a slight smaller commission you will earn more in the long run, because the "big ones" are working with different preferences.

    Why a program always must offer 30, 40 or 50 %?
    Looks 28, 38 or 48 % really so stupid?
    Webmaster are - the moment they are active as a webmaster - no consumers who are running for every special or rounded offer into the store.

    Leopold
    I agree with you but everything depends on marketing and we also need to follow the competition.
    I assure you that our objective is to have all affiliates happy and we are very flexible.
    You can come in contact with me at any time so we discuss a deal that fits your needs

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    "You can come in contact with me at any time so we discuss a deal that fits your needs"

    Don't misunderstand me. I do not want a deal for me.
    I want better condition that fits the needs of the many.

    Leopold

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung View Post
    "You can come in contact with me at any time so we discuss a deal that fits your needs"

    Don't misunderstand me. I do not want a deal for me.
    I want better condition that fits the needs of the many.

    Leopold
    I do not misunderstand you at all, do not worry about this . We are just exchanging opinions and ideas how the industry works and how it can be improved.
    I am just trying to explain that the deal must be fair for both sides. From personal experience, affiliates with decent traffic never have problems with Negative Carry Over

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    "I do not misunderstand you at all [...] affiliates with decent traffic never have problems with Negative Carry Over"

    Hello?!
    Do I have a slurred speech?
    I do not speak about negative carry over right now!
    About my opinion with your negative carry over I wrote already here in this thread:

    ===> https://www.gpwa.org/forum/welcome-t...tml#post811440

    I spoke in my last posts here, that you "should remove your quotas".

    Quotas!
    Not negative carry over!

    If you don't want to speak about your quotes, just say it. It's no problem for me, and we we can stop the dialog.

    And by the way:

    "affiliates with decent traffic never have problems with Negative Carry Over"
    "never"


    Never?

    Simple math tells us, that a single high rollers who cash out his winnings, can eliminate the revenue share of 40+ regular players.

    The correct text could be:

    "Affiliates with decent traffic have fewer problems with Negative Carry Over, but for us also small webmasters are welcome and we don't focus on webmasters with "decent" traffic only, because after the industry has changed again tremendously, our far-sighted vision is to be a role model under the protective shield of fair and long term collaboration, without any excuses.

    So Tipbet's partner are not suffering under prehistoric quotas. We are successful as a company, because Tipbet offers our webmaster the advice that they expect: Uncomplicated, human, always at eyelevel, without quotas."


    I wish you a thoughtful day.

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    What I mention is personal experience. I fully understand that minimum quotas is an issue for an affiliate but we are working in a collaboration with our affiliates to help them earn commission every month.

    On the other hand, I would like to mention once more that our reward plan is not based in tiers, so as soon as the commissions reaches 5.001 the percentage for the WHOLE amount is 30% not 25%.

    We are always taking into consideration the comments and complaints of current and non affiliates in order to improve our reward plan.
    I appreciate your comments as it gave us a lot of feedback in order to evaluate it and improve it.

    Once more thank you very much for your time!

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    But the majority of webmasters - the small ones - can't live with quotas, with a stressful situation every month.
    A successful business relationship is based on happyness, rather than on pressure.
    This is a good point and one I have been stating for YEARS.

    To state you agree and then go on to justify the quota stating you are doing it to keep up with competition doesn't really justify the stance properly.

    As a measure to help BEAT the competition the removal of the quota could possibly help you, (provided your product and customer support are in line).

    Yes some of your competitors have quotas but MANY do not, and for many of us that have been around the block, we choose those without the quotas, and encourage smaller and newer affiliates to be more careful working with those that do have quotas.

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    Welcome!

    Have fun and good luck!

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    No of New Depositing 20-50 NDC = +5% .Normal company 5-10 or 15 NDC +5% , negative carryover

    Very no friendly affiliate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexm View Post
    No of New Depositing 20-50 NDC = +5% .Normal company 5-10 or 15 NDC +5% , negative carryover

    Very no friendly affiliate
    What would you consider a friendly one?
    We always take into considerations all opinions from affiliates

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    Welcome all the best shout if you i can assit in anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung
    But the majority of webmasters - the small ones - can't live with quotas, with a stressful situation every month.
    A successful business relationship is based on happyness, rather than on pressure.
    Quote Originally Posted by universal4 View Post
    This is a good point and one I have been stating for YEARS.

    To state you agree and then go on to justify the quota stating you are doing it to keep up with competition doesn't really justify the stance properly.

    As a measure to help BEAT the competition the removal of the quota could possibly help you, (provided your product and customer support are in line).

    Yes some of your competitors have quotas but MANY do not, and for many of us that have been around the block, we choose those without the quotas, and encourage smaller and newer affiliates to be more careful working with those that do have quotas.

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    Dear TipBet staff,

    you gave @Alexm a reply today. That's fine.

    I am sure, you have overlooked Rick's post from yesterday I quoted in the first lines (https://www.gpwa.org/forum/welcome-t...tml#post811612). Please don't ignore it, because this could give audience the impression that in individual cases statements from sponsors in the welcome threads might be staged and trained.

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    Thank you Leopold for your time and your suggestions.

    We will review all points and we will keep all the members updated

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    What would you consider a friendly one?
    We always take into considerations all opinions from affiliates
    It is simple really.

    If an affiliate send players that earn the book or group money, pay the agreed commission.

    A reasonable minimum payment threshold is understandable, which is normally around $50/50 for Neteller and other e-wallets and often $200/200 for wires or checks. (obviously US Affiliates are often restricted to wires and check methods unless the group offers Moneygram or WU)

    There are plenty of groups that simply pay affiliates for players sent.

    It is understandable to want to reduce fraud etc, but that is more often seen with CPA so if that type of commissions were more restrictive I think it might be more acceptable.

    Quotas do nothing really to reduce fraud, and although a quota may or may not increase exposure with affiliates that do promote you, overall you may not get the total number of affiliates that your competition without quotas do. In addition, the first time a current affiliate does not get paid due to not hitting the quota, very well could be the last time that affiliate gives you ANY exposure.

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    "There are plenty of groups that simply pay affiliates for players sent."

    Because they do not see any sense in quotas. Here is the quota from TipBet in full:

    3. Remuneration
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    3.7 An affiliate must have at least three (3) active customers per month under his/her account in order to receive commission. Active customer is the customer that has used with real money at least once the products of Tipbet during the current month. In case that the affiliate does not have this number of customers, any potential commission amount will be carried forward the next month and commission will be paid as soon as he fulfills this requirement.


    Source: http://affiliates.tipbet.com/tipbet-...onditions.html

    "In case that the affiliate does not have this number of customers, any potential commission amount will be carried forward the next month and commission will be paid as soon as he fulfills this requirement."

    What sense does it make, when the "commission will be paid as soon as he fulfills this requirement"?

    This term make sense (for the program):

    "3.9 Tipbet reserves the right to change any Affiliate earnings structure or Commission scheme (or any part thereof) from time to time, for any reason it deems fit and without need of consent from the Affiliate"

    TipBet, you can have a great future in this industry, if you adjust some things.
    It will not kill you.

    Leopold
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    For some programs smaller affiliates are a bully. Ok, fine.

    For me a reason to not work with them. I do not want to have the obligation to promote them and also depend on their conversions. Some brands simply do not convert, whatever exposure they get. Than 3 NDP's sometimes is a lot. If I don't reach it, I don't get paid. For example: I have some decent playerbase which is giving monthly some money and than I do not get paid, because less than 3 clickers are converted into a NDP. Than that program is not just wasting traffic, but also not paying, while at other programs I would have received my commission.

    Luckily enough programs that have more affiliate friendly terms.

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    Guys, thank you very much for your feedback it is really appreciated.
    I assure you that we take it very seriously and I will keep you updated for any potential changes.

    Once more thank you very much for your time!

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    That is all we can ask is that you at least consider how a cross section of affiliates feel about quotas.

    I sincerely do wish your group well whatever you decide.

    Rick
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    Way to go. I just started promoting sportbooking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matthewt View Post
    Way to go. I just started promoting sportbooking.
    Welcome to Tipbet Matthewt.
    If you need any help please do not hesitate to contact me or anyone else from Tipbet Team.
    We are here to assist you

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