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    Just want to remind you not to install banners with URL in it, some people will go straight to the website by typing it into the browser.

    Some big brands using this tactic to steal your traffic! Dont know what YOU think guys, but I think that is predatory.

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    If I have my choice of creatives and some have the url on it and some don't I will ALWAYS choose the ones without the url when possibe.

    In the case of animated gifs for those that have the url, I will sometimes remove frames that have the url when it's feasable.

    At times I have edited the creative itself and removed or covered the url.

    I will not go as far as to say it's predatory, but wish many wouldn't do it as often....or at least offer more choices of creatives without the url.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALEX777 View Post
    Just want to remind you not to install banners with URL in it, some people will go straight to the website by typing it into the browser.

    Some big brands using this tactic to steal your traffic! Dont know what YOU think guys, but I think that is predatory.
    1. Is NOT predatory, I think you do not understand the term..
    2. How many people really do this?
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    Cannot speak about Casino affiliates as such but i know with quite a few sports affiliate programs they say in their terms and conditions post the banners as is, no changing allowed what so ever.

    Not sure how it would be predatory either
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    First of all: Thats my personal point of view. Webmasters can display what they want on their websites, even 22px bold URL of the casino LOL.


    Quote Originally Posted by casinojack View Post
    1. Is NOT predatory, I think you do not understand the term..

    2. How many people really do this?

    1) I think I understand the term, but I rechecked it (just in case) http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/predatory

    But if you think I dont understand it, please explain it in other words, thanks.

    2). Even if 0.01% - 5% (*BTW, I'll do the research).... but thats my traffic (maybe I pay 15$ PPC?!), Aff programs dont pay for direct advertising.


    URLs in banners is a concept of the outdoor advertising.
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    I know that many programs ask us not to change creatives....but I also will not put up an 80k or 90k 468x60 either and if a program only gives me 2 or 3 that large I am either gonna reduce them or not put them up....

    If I make any changes that are more than simply removing a few frames, or I make completly customized creatives for a property I will usually ask a manager to take a look to make sure I haven't done anything outlandish or make any claims that isn't on other creatives they ahve given us....

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    Dummy here, but can you explain to me what your talking about? What url??
    Am i missing something here because all i know is that when i get a banner from a program, it has my affiliate link and the programs address....is that the url your talking about????

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    giggles7p: Hi. I am talking about banners that display an URL *graphics not the code! (when URL is drawn on the banner).

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    Personally, I prefer not to use banners with URLs on them, if there are other banners available. There have been times in the past when I'd see a banner, but due to time restrictions, I wouldn't click on the banner and visit the site, but I'd make make a mental note to visit the advertised URL at a later stage.

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    Just to be clear. When the Brand/Site has a banner that displays/show the name of the site the players can just type the name that is shown on the banner into their browser and NOT click the banner that will tag them to you.

    For instance if I had a banner for my program that used the words [gamtraksoftware.com] instead of just the logo and graphics, then they (the affiliates above) would not choose that banner to be displayed on their site due to the risk of not having the player tagged correctly.


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    Dummy here, but can you explain to me what your talking about? What url??
    Am i missing something here because all i know is that when i get a banner from a program, it has my affiliate link and the programs address....is that the url your talking about????

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    As an affiliate I used to modify the banners a little to reduce the risk of a direct type in. Now, as an affiliate program manager I offer banners with the logo, without the ".com". From an affiliate perspective it would be nice to have banners with everything except the domain name, but practicality dictates a compromise.

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    I understand your position, but as a previous affiliate you should not only understand the affiliates' position, but should help play a part in creatives design and reccommend more choices WITHOUT the url. (I'm not saying that you don't because I have found that you are very focussed on the affiliate)

    If I have a choice between 2 banners of different brands of similar offers, software etc.... and one has the url and one doesn't. I will lean toward the one without the url every time.

    Like I stated above though, if I think I can easily remove or mask the url, and I have the time to do so, I may go that route first.

    This is a good discussion because it may actually force some operators to take a look at the creatives they offer and offer more choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by universal4 View Post
    I understand your position, but as a previous affiliate you should not only understand the affiliates' position, but should help play a part in creatives design and reccommend more choices WITHOUT the url. (I'm not saying that you don't because I have found that you are very focussed on the affiliate)
    I agree 100%. We don't place the url in the banners. We do place the logo in the banner. I feel it's within reason, and minimizes the direct clicks.

    Every time I see a blatant "casino.com" in the banner I get turned off completely. It's like the program is saying, "Hey player.. type this domain in and bypass this affiliate" It's intentionally done to increase in incidence of direct type ins. It's almost an insult to the affiliate's site. I either change those or simply remove them. So far, in my experience it's even an early indicator of where the program is going in terms of affiliate relations.

    Good thread by the way. It would be nice to implement basic protocols for creatives for GPWA programs.

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    Thanks,

    I hope most afiliates don't have a problem with logos.

    I think that a logo on a banner often helps with the brand recognition and helps make the prospective more comfortable when they arrive at the casino site since the first thing they see is likely the logo that they will recognize from the banner or creative they just clicked.

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    Good and interesting thread in my opinion but I really wouldn't go as far as to say that having the URL on the banner is predatory.

    With the better programs out there you usually have the choice between plenty of good and different banners, so that is not such a biggie, I think.

    And if I as a player were determined to play at a casino or poker room which I see advertised on a banner I would rather click the banner than not click it and type the URL into the browser. Apart from that there are still bonus tracking codes for affiliates to use, which I personally recommend highly!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by universal4 View Post
    If I have my choice of creatives and some have the url on it and some don't I will ALWAYS choose the ones without the url when possibe.

    In the case of animated gifs for those that have the url, I will sometimes remove frames that have the url when it's feasable.

    At times I have edited the creative itself and removed or covered the url.

    I will not go as far as to say it's predatory, but wish many wouldn't do it as often....or at least offer more choices of creatives without the url.

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    I do the same, remove the panel from the banner when possible. The big issue I have is when I do that, the size of the banner jumps way up... goes from say 55k to 76k. What can I do to correct that? I have tried reducing the colors but that makes just a slight change and you can only delete so many before the image gets grainy.

    Any help is welcome. I generally do this in Fireworks CS3 as Photoshop kills the animation.
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    Here is the secret....

    GIFANIMATOR

    Ooops....I guess I put too much here and we should continue this discussion in another thread...(I have edited out the bulk of my post and will start a thread just on this tool)

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    You should split test the banner one with and one without the url and see which one gets a better click through rate.

    For example, a strong brand may get a better click through rate with the url in place, whereas a unknown brand may get a better click through without the url.

    Personally, I prefer the user to know exactly where they are going when they click a banner.

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    Hi Guys,

    I think you have made a valuable point that other affiliates and affiliate managers should bear in mind when producing creatives. Affiliates work very hard to drive traffic/players and we should do all that we can to support their work.

    My advice:
    1. Ask your affiliate manager for a banner without the URL featured, if preferred.

    2. Hide your tracking link by linking the banner to an index.php file within another folder - insert a redirect script into that php file. When the user hovers over the banner, all they can see is your folder name.

    3. If you feel that your figures are looking a bit strange, talk to your affiliate manager so that they can check to see if there are any problems with your banner/link.

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