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    Quote Originally Posted by universal4
    you own the player for the life that you use casino shield yes.
    In other words....
    you own the player for the life that you use (are willing to pay) casino shield yes.

    if you have another solution then please let us know.
    Yea....

    Tie the account in to the PLAYER....and give credit to the affiliate FOR LIFE!!!!

    Very few...if ANY affiliate programs allow a client to be given to another affiliate....EVER!!!!!!

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    Ok, so you want us to give you the software for free, let you give it to your customers for free, then let you decide if you want to pay for ads or not. if you don't pay for ads in the software then we just do nothing? Where do we benefit from this relationship? this does not seem very win-win.

    How about this - you promote casinos on your portal, then the casinos decide if you get a commission or not. if they decide to not pay you then you still have to promote their casino. does that sound fair?

    Seriously, this is similar to a store giving away a local paper in their store. the paper is free, the store gives away the paper because it contains their ads. the store pays for the ads in the paper.

    Am i not understanding what you are asking - please explain again if you think i am not getting it.
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    Either we "own" the player for life or we do not.

    Second, I originally thought the idea of the ad was kinda cool, definately unique, until I got to the PPC cost.

    And finally, the fact, that you no longer "protect" our players if we don't agree to pay you, does not sit well with me.

    Those that frequent the boards here are predominantly Webmasters, (or those serving the Webmaster Community) there are probably very few (if any) that can name a Casino Affiliate Program that tells us we own the player, and then allow the player to be given to another affiliate by simply downloading the software again from a different Portal. (and in most cases this is covered under policy)

    You clearly have the technology to "protect" the player, as you state you will, unless we agree to pay.

    What you are asking is for Webmasters to have the commissions of existing players be jeopardized, by the fact of whether they are also happy to continue to pay you for the PPC's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by universal4
    Either we "own" the player for life or we do not.

    Second, I originally thought the idea of the ad was kinda cool, definately unique, until I got to the PPC cost.

    And finally, the fact, that you no longer "protect" our players if we don't agree to pay you, does not sit well with me.

    Those that frequent the boards here are predominantly Webmasters, (or those serving the Webmaster Community) there are probably very few (if any) that can name a Casino Affiliate Program that tells us we own the player, and then allow the player to be given to another affiliate by simply downloading the software again from a different Portal. (and in most cases this is covered under policy)

    You clearly have the technology to "protect" the player, as you state you will, unless we agree to pay.

    What you are asking is for Webmasters to have the commissions of existing players be jeopardized, by the fact of whether they are also happy to continue to pay you for the PPC's.

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    The above statements are mine, and mine alone, and do NOT reflect opinions of any group or individual other than myself.
    Fair enough - i am glad you have spent the time to look at what we have to offer. We have gotten many distributors so far that do see the benefits and are happy with the arrangement of CPC.

    A few have said this - and i paraphrase here...
    "I know that my customers get casinos from more portals than just mine, if i get my customers to use casino shield under my ID before they get it from my competitors then that is good, i'd hate to lose them"

    that being said - gamblers are going to download casino shield, its up to the individual portals to decide if they want their customers to have their version or one of their competitors.

    i understand your concerns, i just think that the ability to market to customers exclusively and at such a mass rate when they are eager to gamble out ways the CPC. good luck and if you change your mind later please let us know and we'll be happy to get things started for you.
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    Rick

    I think there are two ownerships here:

    1) The player is owned by you in terms of the Casino Shield program and only you can advertise to him.
    2) The ads you place have your normal Affiliate tags on and when the player downloads, Casino Shield do not own that player/casino relationship, they just own the ad time.

    So, if you have a player at XYZ Casino that you acquired through Casino Shield, then, even if you leave Casino Shield, you will always own that player.

    BUT

    Casino Shield:

    We know who the casinos are, in many cases who the owners are, the software providers and so forth. Even with this knowledge, we are often less than confident in the honesty of some programs.

    How do we know that you don't just change the banner code on an ad to one of your own, or someone who paid for the traffic?

    How secure are your systems? Can they be hacked? I hate to say this but bigger and better organisations have had their data compromised by hackers.

    Are you susceptable to scumware? Could a really savvy hacker use your ad tool to place his/her AD ID to millions of players?

    Simply put, who are you and why should we trust you?

    NOTE - You have not done anything to suggest that you would do the above, but my pessimistic side kicked in and I simply had to ask!
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    Brian, and everyone really

    thanks for the breakdown - as for the stealing affiliate stuff. you are right we never break the relationship between your customers and the casinos that you have introduce them to. we only have the advertising relationship.

    Thanks Brian - i had not looked at the subject from that stand point and your answer is correct.

    As for Who we are...
    We are software programmers - this is the first piece of casino oriented software we have ever written but not the first piece of security software we have written. prior to this we have written everything from stock and trading software transactions system (very hardcore secure stuff) to Human resource communication system(hard core security and boring) as well as 2 different medical records operations systems (if you want to see some secure stuff - take a look at that system). One of our lead developers came out of a fortune 50 company and he was in charge of security and encryption for communication systems. Everyone in this industry is so concerned with getting ripped off and having affiliate IDs stolen and all of that - i am not familiar with this kind of environment. Where we come from even the thought of trying to rip off a customer gets you thrown in jail. Plus, if we switched everyone’s Aff ID to one we controlled wouldn't that be pretty obvious to the companies giving pay-outs? I guess i'm just a little new to this situation. Our security, we are hosted at a Tier 1 facility and we are in the process of moving to an even more secure location that deals with banking and financial transactions. it is extremely secure physically and technically.

    If any of you are in Houston i'd be glad to give anyone a tour of our offices and our hosting facility so that you can meet us and see we are just normal guys that own a software company. We take security seriously and are only interested in releasing software that helps our customers.
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    I prefer to keep it simple and not ask my visitors to download anything extra. I then dont ever have the worry against hackers hijacking my ads. I have enough to worry about.

    but, some may find it useful just not for me.
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    The security of the NOC has zero to do with the security of the servers.

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    Something about this whole setup just doesn't ring true to me.

    Why are you charging us for serving ads to our customers, instead of charging the players for the program itself? I mean, if you don't value your program enough to put a price on it, why are the players going to value it?

    You should be charging the players, then getting us to help you sell it. In exchange for us helping you sell it, we get our ads placed for free on the ones we get downloaded.

    Doesn't that make more sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlyCin56
    Something about this whole setup just doesn't ring true to me.

    Why are you charging us for serving ads to our customers, instead of charging the players for the program itself? I mean, if you don't value your program enough to put a price on it, why are the players going to value it?

    You should be charging the players, then getting us to help you sell it. In exchange for us helping you sell it, we get our ads placed for free on the ones we get downloaded.

    Doesn't that make more sense?
    We have already been down that path and it does not work - currently online casino players are given everything for free even money to gamble with. Convincing them to buy a product for $19/$29 would be nearly impossible. The ultimate benefit of Casino Shield is really to you guys the portal owners.

    I really was not expecting so much apprehension to this system.

    Is advertising to your customer not important? I must be missing something? Right now when some one comes to your site and downloads a casino they never have to come back to you ever. Microgaming or Playtech or whoever the game is made by now owns them and markets directly to them. Casino portals are literally missing out on the biggest part of any business RETURN CUSTOMERS. Casino Shield is the ultimate way to ensure return customers and some of you on this board are acting like it is something bad.

    I have distributors right now, some members of GPWA, that are smiling like Cheshire cats - they have told me indirectly that they do not want to have a lot of distributors to compete with because it gives them a chance to get a larger market share. The portals that distribute casino shield first are seriously going to dominate the market. All of you guys share customers, once a customer has casino shield from portal ABC why would they ever get another casino from anyone else other than the portal that is advertising to them every time they play a game.



    I encourage everyone here to just download the program and see what it does - install it yourselves and just use it for a day or 2 and see what your customers would see.
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    I'm jumping into this a bit late, but I feel a similar apprehension... Your software comes across as a middle-man, taking an extra share of our profits... Plus, as webmasters we have the challenge of getting players to sign up at a casino - getting them to download a program to their PC is not an easy task... Nevermind some possible sketchy ad serving (spyware-like).

    There is no recurring charge for a player, right? The only fee is a cost per click. Once that player has signed up (assuming they dont click any more banners) there is no additional fee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matted
    I'm jumping into this a bit late, but I feel a similar apprehension... Your software comes across as a middle-man, taking an extra share of our profits... Plus, as webmasters we have the challenge of getting players to sign up at a casino - getting them to download a program to their PC is not an easy task... Nevermind some possible sketchy ad serving (spyware-like).

    There is no recurring charge for a player, right? The only fee is a cost per click. Once that player has signed up (assuming they dont click any more banners) there is no additional fee.
    Hi,

    we do not take any share of profits, only CPC - and you are right, if your customers never click then you never pay.

    it is not spyware at all - honestly we are programmers and we hate spyware. We are Adware though - we show ads to the user, we do not do any popups or anything like that, just simple 125x125 animated gifs on the right side of the program.

    Download it and check it out, it is really cool - I don't know how to convince you guys other wise but we are not those bad guys you may have dealt with before. we are simply software guys that saw a need in the market for this tool.

    email me personally and I’ll be glad to tell you all about us.

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    Ok....

    Let's sell this program.

    First we tell the visitor how "SAFE" it is to play at the Casinos that we recommend.

    Then...we tell them they NEED this additional program....because it's not safe to Gamble Online without it.

    Hmmmmmmm

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    I agree Rick!

    This is going to scare them. This product should be for everything not just online casinos. That is the first thing they ask me, is it safe to deposit at online casinos.

    They better try to sell this product somewhere else because it is not going to work here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by universal4
    Ok....

    Let's sell this program.

    First we tell the visitor how "SAFE" it is to play at the Casinos that we recommend.

    Then...we tell them they NEED this additional program....because it's not safe to Gamble Online without it.

    Hmmmmmmm

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    Ok Rick, sorry you don't like the program...

    To everyone else that has signed up and has been sending me e-mails of encouragement thank you!

    Just like the old adage that you can never have to much insurance we think this will fill a need of a lot of people in the market.

    Thank you to all that have signed up as distributors we have had twice as many downloads this weekend and we look forward to helping all of you benefit from casino shield in the future. If your custom branded version of casino shield is not ready yet it will be by tomorrow around noon (CST).

    we will email you with a screen shot when it is done.

    ALSO - we have 2 new ads that are up and running for you to use. (thanks winyourwager.com)

    have a great night everyone - i will be online for a few more hours and then online again by 9(CST)

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    Glad the point was brought up regarding new players worrying if it was safe. There is no doubt that people in general ask questions like, "how do you get paid, or is it safe?" Casino Shield is really that little extra piece of insurance for that particular player. How many times have players accounts been accessed by those in their own homes. This extra security measure offers supplemental security and privacy. That shouldnt scare anyone away, it should provide your players with the knowledge that access to their accounts are now even safer. Offering your players extra insurance for free while being able to get your tagged ads in front of their faces each time they play. Thats what CS is all about. Again, I want to thank the many new distributors for the kind words of encouragement. We are actually working hard to get your custom versions of CS to you ASAP. The response has actually been a little overwhelming. Thank you once agan for joining Team Casino Shield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allstar
    I agree Rick!

    This is going to scare them. This product should be for everything not just online casinos. That is the first thing they ask me, is it safe to deposit at online casinos.

    They better try to sell this product somewhere else because it is not going to work here.

    Marlene
    It is for their personal saftey from having children/roommates/spouses open their games and play them.

    sorry you feel this way - it seems you would want to give your customers every advantage you could to keep them safe though. Casino Shield is in the market right now - we have people already distributing it and customers using it. It is already happening, the people have spoken - they want something that does this.
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    You see, there is no reason to try and twist what I am saying in order to show the value of your product. (or is this due to the fact that a webmaster may have some possible opposition to your product and willing to discuss their views in an open forum?)

    I feel more about MY customers'saftey than you do.

    I tell my customers that Gambling Online is safe, that installing the Casino Software on their Home PC is safe.

    In order to recommend your product, I now have to tell them that they can not trust their roomates or family members to mess with the software I just had them install, and if they don't use YOUR product, the product I just convinced them to buy could be unsafe to have on their PC or in their household.

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    To be fair

    I think you guys are adventurous and have a great vision. What I don't think you foresaw was the trepidation you would face. No ways do I back ANY first timers in this industry. Too many fires in the past.

    That does NOT make you into a Bad Egg though, just not my cup of tea nor the cup of tea for many others who see this type of situation similarly.

    BUT

    With the knowledge you have of programming and design, I would suggest diversifying your talents into greater areas that webmasters would buy. Things like a system that collects stats from multiple affiliate programs, compiles them into useful statistical data would be one such idea. An advanced link swopping and checking software would be another (there are a few around, but they can be improved upon).

    There are zillions of other ideas that competant programmers would be able to exploit for EVERYONES good including their own.
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    Hi,

    It appears to me that you are based in the US. With the current climate where some of the bigger PPC engines have withdrawn from the online gambling market, Google, Overture and FindWhat) I am wondering what you will do when you receive a letter from the DoJ telling you that advertising online gambling is illegal.

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    can you say SCAM?

    or, how about BUL%SH*T?

    nice try though!
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