Who is Responsible for this Mess? Rep vs Dems

[TravG]

They may force all isp to block gambling content , you may have more freedom moving to China.

I dont think that will happen. Google pulled out of China because of censorship and last time I looked my address is stilll USA. In the shape our economy is in the last thing we need is more regulation. We just need to keep pushing these Dem's out of office!

[Amateur]

I dont think that will happen. Google pulled out of China because of censorship and last time I looked my address is stilll USA. In the shape our economy is in the last thing we need is more regulation. We just need to keep pushing these Dem's out of office!

Travis,

This is not a flame, but...either you're misinformed, or not paying enough attention. The Republicans passed the UIGEA as part of the Port Security Bill on a Sat night! It's Republicans who appointed the NYDOJ atty who is pursuing these indictments. The Republicans who CREATED the Dept. Homeland Security under Bush, as part of the Patriot Act!

These things, and more invasions of privacy were initiated under a Republican administration, and a Republican Congress.

Which is the main reason why Barack Obama was elected. People are tired of a bunch of zealots deciding who can do what, while doing anything and everything behind closed doors. It;s not that Democrats don't commit adultery, or steal, it's that Democrats are not the ones trying to call others out for behaving badly while doing the same thing themselves, and trying to decide what others can do in the privacy of their own homes.

By it's very nature, being a Democrat does not lend itself to being a fanatic; while the nature of being a Republican is to tell others what they should and should not think, and what they can and cannot do!

The "Religious Right" is not a part of the Democratic Party; White Supremacists are not members of the Democratic Party; using "code words" to incite fear and mistrust are not tactics employed by Democratic candidates; removing legitimate voters, and making roadblocks to voting, are not tactics employed by Democrats at election time. Sarah Palin is not a member of the Democratic Party!! Thank you God!!

Don't get me started please.

Now...back to our regularly scheduled program.

[slotplayer]

As I once emailed to Bill O'Reilly a few years back and yes he did read it on air.

"Republicans like to dictate policy based on religious beliefs."

[Buddy M]

As I once emailed to Bill O'Reilly a few years back and yes he did read it on air.

"Republicans like to dictate policy based on religious beliefs."

I would hate to see this turn into a disscussion on the "Right" or the "Left", because if we become didived, we are *&^%$#@. But to be fair to the other side, Holder who controls the DOJ was apointed by the current administration and from what I can tell, what he is doing is more dangerous to our freedom and much more far reaching then the other freedom killer act the prior administration. Lets face it, this is a power trip by both sides and if we ourselves start "Taking sides", its going to hurt, not help. A country (GPWA) divided can not stand alone.

[Buddy M]

Per this statement. " are not tactics employed by Democratic candidates; removing legitimate voters, and making roadblocks to voting, are not tactics employed by Democrats at election time." You are so wrong, I had a City Union Job in Chicago for 7 years, LOL. It was a job given to people to be loyal to the Party, you have no idea how corrupt Chicago Politicians are and the funny thing is, people like me love it, we brag about how crooked the city and the government are out there. Do you know how many DEAD people voted in Mayor elections in Chicago, how many dogs voted, how many $5 bills were passed out to vote for the democrate in office, damn are you going to tell me you never heard of Mayor Daly and the corrupt political machine of Chicago. I dont care where you are from, your town will never be as corrupt as mine, and who do you think is in charge at the White House? Chicago Politians. LMAO!!

[Amateur]

So to not derail another thread, I have created a separate thread for this discussion.

[Dominique]

To me, the choice between the two parties is a choice between bull s#!t and chicken s#!t. And the tea party just adds more s#!t, too. The whole system is so totally corrupt - unless you have huge amounts of money to buy politicians by lobbying, you are screwed. Attaching bills to other bills should be illegal in the first place. It's called cheating. Meeting with people and accepting money in exchange for votes should be illegal. It's called bribery. Both these things are daily business in Washington.

Taxes should be flat rate to be fair. But then restaurants would go broke without all these martini lunches, and the hotel and airline industry would suffer.

The whole system is so ingrained and permeates every cell of economy that it is impossible to change, and anyone stepping up to try to will be shouted down by special interests in a minute.

I think it's hopeless.

[xecutable]

To be honest I don't know a thing about politics, but I've watched that movie "Casino Jack" with Kevin Spacey which should be based on a real case with a lobbyist, and the system indeed looked corrupt, and nasty. Life is too short to discuss politics . Such threads go pages and pages,and no ones opinion changes anyways.

[wagerjunction]

The whole system is so totally corrupt - unless you have huge amounts of money to buy politicians by lobbying, you are screwed. Attaching bills to other bills should be illegal in the first place. It's called cheating. Meeting with people and accepting money in exchange for votes should be illegal. It's called bribery. Both these things are daily business in Washington.

The whole system is so ingrained and permeates every cell of economy that it is impossible to change, and anyone stepping up to try to will be shouted down by special interests in a minute.

I think it's hopeless.

To be honest I don't know a thing about politics, but I've watched that movie "Casino Jack" with Kevin Spacey which should be based on a real case with a lobbyist, and the system indeed looked corrupt, and nasty. Life is too short to discuss politics . Such threads go pages and pages,and no ones opinion changes anyways.

You guys are so right but then again, there is absolutely nothing we can do. I've never been interested in politics, hell, I've never even voted since here also there are about 2,3 major parties which are all just as corrupt as each other.

I agree with xecutable. We will talk for pages and pages but in the end, let's face it, we wont be any better off. Totally sucks

[Buddy M]

Your right about that, we can talk and talk and talk. I remember the last pres election, lol, man we were going at.

Ya ever read the book Animal Farm where the pigs took control over the farm by ousting the humans. When the pigs first got in everything was really fair but by the end, the pigs were sitting in the farm house (where they said they would never go) playing poker, smoking and drinking with the humans. All the animals who helped the pigs get power looked in the window and couldnt tell who were humans and who were pigs. They were both the same.

[DaftDog]

Your right about that, we can talk and talk and talk. I remember the last pres election, lol, man we were going at.

Ya ever read the book Animal Farm where the pigs took control over the farm by ousting the humans. When the pigs first got in everything was really fair but by the end, the pigs were sitting in the farm house (where they said they would never go) playing poker, smoking and drinking with the humans. All the animals who helped the pigs get power looked in the window and couldnt tell who were humans and who were pigs. They were both the same.

This thread is derailed already so here goes...

I am not a USA citizen but I do watch the news and take an interest in what happens in your country, both the good news and the bad. I have just watched the movie / documentary called "Inside Job". Man, you guys are really screwed. It's going to take a revolution to bring things back to the people. But I doubt that will happen because most Americans still live a pretty comfortable life compared to other countries where revolutions are happening.

So put down that MacDonald Burger and toughen up, it's in each of your hands to take up the fight. You have a constitutional right to take up arms.

[Buddy M]

You have a constitutional right to take up arms. as stated by ixian:

That is a little scarry for me, the country being armed.

[DaftDog]

You have a constitutional right to take up arms. as stated by ixian:

That is a little scarry for me, the country being armed.

"United we stand, divided we fall."

Taking up arms is a last resort and I was not really serious about it, but you do have that option. lol

I'm not a historian but I thought it was in your constitution: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

[wagerjunction]

Your right about that, we can talk and talk and talk. I remember the last pres election, lol, man we were going at.

Ya ever read the book Animal Farm where the pigs took control over the farm by ousting the humans. When the pigs first got in everything was really fair but by the end, the pigs were sitting in the farm house (where they said they would never go) playing poker, smoking and drinking with the humans. All the animals who helped the pigs get power looked in the window and couldnt tell who were humans and who were pigs. They were both the same.

You illustrated it perfectly. In the end it comes back to this sad truth "All Power Corrupts". These people might genuinely believe they will be able to make a difference and not get sucked into the current trend but afterwards... you have those who find it easier to go with the flow right from the start and those who tired of fighting windmills just give up and become like the rest. Sad

[wagerjunction]

"United we stand, divided we fall."

Taking up arms is a last resort and I was not really serious about it, but you do have that option. lol

I'm not a historian but I thought it was in your constitution: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Remember there is something to that effect in the US Declaration of Independence:

"... That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. "

[Amateur]

I hear what most of you are saying, that the fight is too big, the odds too high.

The system is too corrupt, not enough of us care about this to matter to the general population.

But, my view is that I have no other choice but to make my voice heard in whatever forum or venue I can. I have no other choice but to fight back when and where I can. It's too important to me, not just b/c I think it's wrong, but it's that I've seen too much over time not to realize that no fight is won by lying down.

Bullys don't stop with one victory, they just keeep on and on until they have it all. They never stop!

So it's really a matter of survival, for the future of whatever liberties we have left.

I could mention that the protest ongoing in the Middle East started with one guy posting on Facebook. It's just starting, but it is a start. Their voices are bing heard.

I don't believe it will come to the same thing, not in our blood, but we do have the ability to bring our cause to many eyes and ears, and explain why these attempts at Prohibition are as much oppresion, and any past attempts at regulating "morality".

When my neice found out she needed a heart transplant, she was told she needed $100K to get one. We didn't have $100K! Today, she has a new heart, and is doing fine. It's not easy, and she has to be careful in what she eats, and take her meds, but we still have her with us. Things can be done in spite of overwhelming odds.

When I was born, Apartheid was the accepted form of govt here. All power was in the hands of domestic terrorists. That has changed, despite overwhelming odds. Things can change, and it started when one woman refused to give up her seat on a bus.

One person can make a difference.

[bb1web]

I actually was under the impression it was the Dems who thought that people weren't capable of making the "right" decision on their own, and therefore shouldn't be given the choices, and it was the Reps who were all about free enterprise. That they were okay with whatever your choice, as long as they were making a dollar off it and of course, they were.

Unless it was OG. There you have the two parties finding common ground. The one doesn't think you're capable of doing it responsibly, so they will decide for you and the other finding out they are not making a dollar off the deal, suddenly they find themselves rowing in the same direction.

Bad for us either way. Same result, different agenda.

[wagerjunction]

But, my view is that I have no other choice but to make my voice heard in whatever forum or venue I can. I have no other choice but to fight back when and where I can. It's too important to me, not just b/c I think it's wrong, but it's that I've seen too much over time not to realize that no fight is won by lying down.

Bullys don't stop with one victory, they just keeep on and on until they have it all. They never stop!

So it's really a matter of survival, for the future of whatever liberties we have left.

I don't believe it will come to the same thing, not in our blood, but we do have the ability to bring our cause to many eyes and ears, and explain why these attempts at Prohibition are as much oppresion, and any past attempts at regulating "morality".

When my neice found out she needed a heart transplant, she was told she needed $100K to get one. We didn't have $100K! Today, she has a new heart, and is doing fine. It's not easy, and she has to be careful in what she eats, and take her meds, but we still have her with us. Things can be done in spite of overwhelming odds.

When I was born, Apartheid was the accepted form of govt here. All power was in the hands of domestic terrorists. That has changed, despite overwhelming odds. Things can change, and it started when one woman refused to give up her seat on a bus.

One person can make a difference.

This is admirable. You are admirable

And yes, I guess this fight will be a really tough one but I am sure there are other like-minded people as yourself who will not take it lying down. It's in the face of opression that many people show their true self.

I do hope that your voices will be heard and heeded and you will manage to bring back some semblance of morality.


PS: I had been following up on the thread about your niece and I just wanted to say how happy and relieved I am that she is keeping well.

[Fergie]

In answer to the question, who is at fault: Anybody who doesn't do anything to protect their freedoms is at fault.

Democracies are fragile. People become complacent in democracies and complacency leads to the erosion of their freedom. We've been watching it happen in the U.S. for a few years now. The rest of the world isn't safe from it, either. I believe we are all right behind the U.S. in losing true democracy, and not as far behind as we think.