Why can't we do the testing on child molesters, rather than animals

[LuckyBettors - Jamie]

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This is a video of some chimps recently released after 30 years of not seeing daylight. They were subjected to having the HIV virus injected in them and this totally sucks. When they first come out you can see they are so happy. They hug each other.

Humans need to start using their brains. Leave the animals alone and focus on serial killers, child molesters as there are plenty of them.

Test on low life humans, not animals.

Full story can be found here: http://gizmodo.com/5837737/lab-chimp...for-first-time

[davemerry]

Agree with you 100% Jamie - if there is no question of guilt then they deserve every test possible.

[wagerjunction]

You are so totally right Jamie.

Its inhuman to inflict such torture on helpless animals who can't defend themselves. As you said the scum of humanking should be used for these tests instead. If they had no pity for their poor victims we also should have no shred of pity for them. They deserve to suffer a thousand times over.

[ironman2000]

Thats a very simple answer to you question...............because they would enjoy it!

Seriously,you can not counter evil with evil because then we would be just as bad as they are......................

Just my opinion and you may not agree

Keith

[bonusbetting]

It's an interesting point. Giving chimps HIV is pretty sick, but if it means saving human lives then to my mind it's a necessary evil. If you know anyone who's life has been saved by a drug that was tested on animals it's pretty clear cut.

I actually agree with Keith, if we start torturing people then we lose the moral high ground and it's a slippery slope. Also a lot of massive mistakes get made in justice systems. That's the main reason I'm against the death penalty, quite a lot of innocent people have been executed.

Lock 'em up for life, it costs less than execution and at least that way if it turns out that they were actually innocent 20 years later they can be freed.

It's a hell of a can of worms to open...

[LuckyBettors - Jamie]

It's an interesting point. Giving chimps HIV is pretty sick, but if it means saving human lives then to my mind it's a necessary evil. If you know anyone who's life has been saved by a drug that was tested on animals it's pretty clear cut.

I actually agree with Keith, if we start torturing people then we lose the moral high ground and it's a slippery slope. Also a lot of massive mistakes get made in justice systems. That's the main reason I'm against the death penalty, quite a lot of innocent people have been executed.

Lock 'em up for life, it costs less than execution and at least that way if it turns out that they were actually innocent 20 years later they can be freed.

It's a hell of a can of worms to open...

I would have to disagree with Keith to a certain degree, If the justice system were 100 percent sure as in most pedophile cases then they are the types that should be tested on. Serial killers as well. Of course they would need concrete proof, but it should be done.

Also testing animals with drugs is wrong, it should be these sick people that take advantage of the law, children and innocent people that should be pumped full of chemicals.

You just never know, one day these testing places might inject the wrong thing into the chimps and bang. Planet of the apes will arrive. That would be funny to see and even more so funny to see the chimps lock all those who tested on them in a caged and shut them away from daylight for 30 years.

There is no justification to testing on animals, I had done alot of research into our own country doing things like this and it has been stopped, I have also seen animals tested on including a science lab keeping a cow cut in half alive with machines. Its these types of experiments that should be stopped.

[bonusbetting]

Testing on animals has been essential in discovering/inventing a lot of life-saving medical science in the last 50 years. Some of my family would be dead without it, so I have to defend it.

Perhaps we should just agree to disagree. I shouldn't have posted in this thread, religion and politics are always dodgy ground...

[LuckyBettors - Jamie]

Testing on animals has been essential in discovering/inventing a lot of life-saving medical science in the last 50 years. Some of my family would be dead without it, so I have to defend it.

Perhaps we should just agree to disagree. I shouldn't have posted in this thread, religion and politics are always dodgy ground...

No its fine to post everyone has good opinions. I just feel strongly for animals that's all. I too have family that has been saved from certain drugs, but humans as a whole need to look at a better way to find cures. Its now the 21st Century. And i think the scumbag humans that do attack children deserve to be treated like animals. They certainly shouldn't be treated and respected as humans. Because normal people don't do that.

I guess its in human nature to kill, so why not kill the bad apples of this world.

[michael1981]

I feel really strongly about animals too, they are so beautiful and innocent. It breaks my heart to hear stories about animal cruelty, or even sad stories like this one. There must be a better way to test things out besides using animals. I hope that one day animal testing stops, its so cruel and borderline evil. I'm glad those chimps got to enjoy being outside, even it if wasn't for long. They are so intelligent, they smile, play, and hug each other like people

[Doolally]

Use the child molesters!! Best idea I've heard all day.

[bonusbetting]

I'm not sure what people will think of this, again only my opinion, but with some facts thrown in:

More than 90% of child abuse is perpetrated by someone the child knows and trusts.
The sad truth is that the vast majority of it happens within families.

So - when you take the child abuser away and torture them, you are likely to be causing a whole load more psychological issues for the kid.
You might well also be removing their main, or only, source of financial support and/or compensation.

The first priority has to be the welfare of the child, and that is unlikely to be best served by torturing the abuser.

Everyone wants simple solutions, but I am afraid I don't think things are so clear cut in the real world.

[Puma]

why not just do the tests on a person who has HIV and in exchange, pay for their drugs and requirements to stay healthy? Oh right that would cost too much. Better to start a war and spend billions on bombs

[bonusbetting]

why not just do the tests on a person who has HIV and in exchange, pay for their drugs and requirements to stay healthy? Oh right that would cost too much. Better to start a war and spend billions on bombs

I share your frustration over all the lies and wars, but it's not really an either/or situation.
People with HIV can live long, relatively healthy lives these days thanks to this kind of testing. (Assuming they can either afford the drugs or live in a country that values the health of its citizens )

It's horrible, one day they'll be able to test drugs without animals, but we're not there yet.

[BHL]

That's why I refuse to donate to burn victims funds... I'll spare you guys the gruesome details.
Anyhow if the donation collectors visit my home I usually ask them if they know the money they collect is used to abuse animals and they look at me like I'm satan himself, right before I smack the door in their face that is Poor souls probably can't sleep for a week..