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    What do you guys think of Windows Casino versus Gambling Federation's affiliate programs? I know all the details of how much percent commission, etc., I am wondering about each company's professional attitude, timely payments, and other things like that. Has anyone used both? Care to comment?

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    Gambling Federation =

    Windows Casino = :eeek: :nono: :ignore: :fire: : :boohoo:

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    LOL :LOL: Thank you for the answer. Best answer to a question I've ever received online!

    I went to that Gambling Webmaster School site that was linked a couple posts down and they claimed Windows Casino was the best one of any program, and G-FED wasn't even listed. I guess I should have seen it coming. Some of their recommendations don't help people, it only helps them. Even on the hosting pages it recommends the person's OWN company which is based in Israel (do a whois and nslookup on both domains).

    Thanks again for the answer. I guess I made up my mind and I'm going to apply with G-FED.

    Oh yes, I had this one other concern. You know how the US is trying to ban online gambling (which I don't agree with, find it undemocratic, and absurd). When tax time comes, how should those who PROMOTE gambling and make money list it on the tax form? Also, *if* gambling gets banned and becomes illegal, will those who PROMOTE gambling get prosecuted?

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    windows was the first front end casino program I tried. After I started I found out a lot of neg. things about them but I kept with them. I still have the site and it make good money. The ownly draw back is they don't send out checks till the 15 th. The bottom line is I have never had A problem with them and my player generally stick around for 5 to 6 months. I signed up at g-fed and had a few problem, I contacted them and never got any good answers so I decided not to promote them. Any way take a good look at all the programs, there are alot more out there.

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    emg35: Thanks for the reply. The reason my choices are down to G-FED and Windows Casino is because they are the only two programs [that I found] that offer CD-ROM casino software, which means your ID is embedded inside, and you can distribute it in the real world, send it to users, and possibly even make it downloadable off your server.

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    I don't know of any casino that won't give its affiliates you cd-roms.

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    Do you mean most -- if not all -- casinos give affiliates a custom CD with the partner ID embedded? Why don't they state that? Only Windows Casino states that, and I had to ask around chat rooms to find about G-FED. Hmm, guess I should check out other programs too.

    By the way, would you mind to tell me what the problems were with G-FED?

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    If you find a program you like talk with the affiliate manager. Ask about cd-roms ect generally they will get you what you need. My problem with G-fed was lack of responce from them. They didn't answer emails and when they did they generally didn't answer my question. I figured that in the long run it would be better to deal with a co. that would quickly resond to my needs. Also remember that you don't have to buy a site from any of these co. you can build it free or pay someone too.

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    My problem is that I'm not getting a reply from ANY casino that I write to. The only response I got was from G-FED, and that was within 48 hours. The person did answer my questions, and offered marketting strategies after I signup, but I had a few other questions in my follow-up email, and I never got a response after (been over a week).

    I also found in my Sent folder that I've written to Windows Casino 3 weeks ago. Yes, 3 weeks ago. No response. I guess they respond to account holders like you. But casinos who do not respond in the first place lose clients. It is stupid.

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    Wellll, a lot of the online casinos have a lot to learn still, unfortunately. :-?

    Gambling Fed *will* give you probs on responses - I can guarantee that. But if you can get beyond that and get them rolling, they are one of the most problemless programs on the net.

    Windows, on the other hand, has a horrendous reputation for serious problems with their affiliates and players alike; and they run a huge range of problem areas. Most GPWA webmasters will have nothing to do with any of their properties, so take a clue from that.

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    You might look into casinoproject.com. As your looking be aware that there are some bad Co. out there that sell and give away front end casinos.

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    Thanks, but I've already checked out casinoproject. I was interested at first, but I got very suspicous when I found two other affiliate programs from the same entity (why do they need other programs with different names?). Other reasons I got suspicous is a.) they have the ridiculous Gambling Commision and Internet Gaming Comission "approval" logos (which are scam organizations), b.) they have no legal document (terms and privacy).

    I may be paranoid :eeek: , but I don't want to get screwed either, you know. Besides, I tried out the software for G-Fed, Windows Casino, and casinoproject (which is BeTheDealer), and I didn't like BeTheDealer at all.

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    For my money Gambling Federation win hands down. The not-so-distant Grandbanks/player privacy issue alone was enough to send huge warning flags to all webmasters about promoting Windows.

    Gambling Fed have easy weekly payments with a low threshold, Windows have those ridiculous hold percentages and an inordinate amount of chargebacks.

    No contest

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    I am very glad I found this forum because there are so many knowledgeable people.

    I don't know about the Grandbanks-Windows Casino issue you are talking about, but once you said "privacy" I knew it had to be something HORRIBLE.

    I've made up my mind and I'm going to go with G-FED. I just need to check some legal issues and then I'm going to start.

    Btw, I did check the Windows Casino terms and even though it says 45% commission, you're right... they take a lot of transaction fees that comes down to 30%. But G-FED does take 11%, which is not great, but not bad either.

    I have this question about G-FED. What are the differences with the 'Casino', 'Videopoker', 'Blackjack' and other options when signing up? Are those different casinos? Is 'Casino' (which gives the option of choosing styles 1-7) the all-in-one program (that includes poker, blackjack, etc.)? And the others are only ONE game? Such as Blackjack for only Blackjack? I hope I misunderstood because it doesn't make sense to me.

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    You can get a brief rundown on the Grandbanks thing on my site http://www.prizewin.co.uk/warnings.html The long and the short of it was that Windows some how got hold of the old Grandbanks casino database after they switched from RTG to Playtech and registered accounts for all players with Windows without their permission and then sent out emails with usernames and passwords which were the same as they had used for Grandbanks. Tony Friedman was also the brainchild behind the Online Casino Managers Assocation which was an organisation set up to share information on so-called fraudulent players amongst casino managers totally abusing player privacy.

    As for the pption with Gambling Fed I dont know if they have changed the site recently but i just signed up for casino and then selected a template.

    Hope this helps

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    Nice Web page. I bookmarked it for future reference; very interesting info there!

    Hmm, I never realized until now that Windows is a RTG casino. I thought Windows Casinos had their own software (they are smart for calling it 'Windows'). I recall reading somewhere that most RTG casinos are bad, and if I knew they were part of RTG, I wouldn't have even considered them.

    And you know what, I just found something interesting. I don't know if you know this, but if you go to SafeBet:

    http://www.safebet.org/html/members_platinum.html
    http://www.safebet.org/html/members_gold.html
    http://www.safebet.org/html/members_silver.html

    I notice that 95% of the casinos (if not 100%) are the same casinos listed in http://www.realtimegaming.com/html/clients.html. How low can RTG go to create their own "safe business" site. And note the word "'Independent'... Organization" under the logo.

    I now feel stupid for even considering Windows Casino. I should have looked at their 'About Us' page to find all their affiliations with scam organizations, like Internet Gaming Commission, SafeBet, and etc. (http://www.windowscasino.com/aboutus.phtml)

    The reason I was reluctant to signup with G-FED was because it was not publicized as much as Windows Casino. But I prefer word of mouth referrals (like you guys gave me). But come to think about it, I'm glad G-FED isn't publicized as much... less competition I suppose.

    Thanks again.

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    Thanks for the compliment on the page LV

    Safebet is a known rogue seal of approval and it p*sses me off that RTG do this. Misleading players in this way with the so-called Platinum certification is not right IMHO. I have had a lot to say on this issue in the past :LOL:

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    Does anyone have a comment about ReferBack in comparison to G-FED?

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