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    Unhappy Winner Affiliates don't pay !

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    My name is Hervé, I'm french so excuse my English..
    I'm the webmaster of Firstbet.fr and I wait for a payment since 5 month !! No answer to my emails !

    I don't understand why they do that !

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    this is normal at winneraffiliates but they are a platinsponsor so they can do what ever they want and nobody cares

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    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 12"><meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 12">I think that the money in subject is related to Grand Play Casino and NOT to Winner.com. We recently took over the marketing of Grand Play, and we are committed to pay relevant commission as of January 2010. If we are talking about commissions owed from 2009 then it is not “our” debt. We can still help solve the situation. Feel free to email me or your French account manager with all relevant info, and we will make sure to sort things out in no time.

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    Ah, another "re-branded" casino with no intention of paying old debts. Gotcha.
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    Winner is marked as predatory at AGD - http://www.affiliateguarddog.com/for...ory-t2330.html
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    I just received an email from them. Thanks for the heads-up.

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    NOT TRUE, they pay on time and they are highly responsive

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    Quote Originally Posted by webmacho View Post
    NOT TRUE, they pay on time and they are highly responsive
    That's cool. Don't say you weren't warned.

    If there is no activity in your account for forty five days, we will deem this Agreement to have been terminated by you without notice.
    Negative Balance Carry-Over

    A negative balance in your affiliate account with us is relevant only to the Casino Revenue Share payment plan, and means that the total of all bets generated on your Trackers is less than the total of all winnings plus bonuses generated on your Trackers (i.e., your Casino Net Revenue is negative).

    WINNER has a negative carry-over policy, meaning that from the third month of this Agreement (after a two-month "grace period"), any negative balance in your affiliate account will be carried over to subsequent months and will be set-off against the payments due to you in the subsequent months, until the full negative balance is thus set-off.
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    yeah, that is why I dont promote their casino. but hey bet365 negative carrryes over everything an has won many igaming awards

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    I put very little stock in those awards.... PokerStars won for Best Affiliate Program or something and look at their record. Non-responsive AM's, retroactive changes to T&C's, reducing commission payments, etc.

    Bet365 has a stellar record - Winner has anything but. And I would not recommend Bet365 to a new affiliate either. Their terms are not geared toward affiliates that send small amounts of traffic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thepokerkeep View Post
    I put very little stock in those awards.... PokerStars won for Best Affiliate Program or something and look at their record. Non-responsive AM's, retroactive changes to T&C's, reducing commission payments, etc.

    Bet365 has a stellar record - Winner has anything but. And I would not recommend Bet365 to a new affiliate either. Their terms are not geared toward affiliates that send small amounts of traffic.
    You have absolutely right here, but speaking from winner I just speak about my experience.

    ... But hey there are people out there they say that sbaffiliates is good program

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    Quote Originally Posted by webmacho View Post
    You have absolutely right here, but speaking from winner I just speak about my experience.

    ... But hey there are people out there they say that sbaffiliates is good program
    True. And Affiliate Lounge, Aced, etc.... to each their own.
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    But this Award to pokerstars is realy the biggest fraud in the industry

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    Yes, they don't pay on time (still waiting May's commissions). Moreover, I send few PM's regarding some important issues about 2 weeks ago. They ignored it.

    I guess they want to discuss it publicly.

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    I wrote about these issues to my manager. Hope he will help.

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    My manager Ofir replied to me:
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    in the treat you send, the guy there ALEX777. is my affiliate, he never wrote me anything regarding is payment, More than that, i wrote him many times and he didn't reply to me. lats email was from me to him on the 14.6 (from some reason he prefer to ask quastion in forums than call me or write me).



    I'm not at the office now on Sunday i will check his account and i will answer him.

    you will always get a reply from me no more than 24 hours.

    you will always get your payment.

    you got personal affiliate manger that will take care of all of your question.

    all of my affiliate get their payment, i never heard about affiliate that didn't got the money he deserve.

    i will write you again on sunday.

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    Thank you for effort Aksana.

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    First of all, I wrote to Ian with a request to change my affiliate manager, because I can not longer work with my current affiliate manager.

    Secondly, when I've signed up there was $200 (or 100, I'm not sure, *archive.org don't have any cached pages) minimum to get a payment. Now I see the different figures.

    And the last, but not least, the payments is not the only issue I have with WinnerAffiliates.

    PS: I think I'll simply pass (without scandals etc, I don't have a time for it).
    There's is a lot of fish in the sea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALEX777 View Post
    Yes, they don't pay on time (still waiting May's commissions).
    Hi Alex!
    Have you got your commission payment for may? I am still waiting my commission...

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    Quote Originally Posted by winnerin View Post
    Hi Alex!
    Have you got your commission payment for may? I am still waiting my commission...
    Hi! No, and now i know why. If you earned less than $250 they won't pay you untill you reach more than $250.

    I've checked their (probably modified) T&C today.

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    I have been waiting on a $400 payment since the beginning of June. I was told I would be paid on the 12th, it never came, now I am told it will come in July. I am very disappointed with these guys and Hanan.

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