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    Divide and conquer works in case you do not see it happening right before your very eyes...

    Refuse to live in fear friends.

    It is that simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple7 View Post
    In the EU there's some app, but that app is not accepted in all countries. Big hassle. And some countries already started to put in quarantaine also vaccinated people. Now they're already providing "booster shots". 2 jabs isn't enough anymore.

    Third jabs already in full force in many countries. I like what one politician said: "the third dose is 100% voluntary". The slip of the tongue is funny. He is saying by that that the previous two doses maybe were not so much voluntary. But frankly all old people I know that got third jab did not have adverse effects (after 1st, 2nd and 3rd). I had strong especially after 2nd, so 3rd I would like to avoid, unless I have granted access anywhere I want to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by Triple7 View Post
    Stamps can be faked, but also certificates can be bought.
    Is it possible? To buy a vaccine certificate with a valid QR code already? It means that someone from the lab must be selling those.

    Today one banker told me. I have all symptoms of delta. But fk it, I do not go to PCR, I do not want to stay at home. Like it or not, this will be the reality.

    Refuse to live in fear friends.

    It is that simple.
    I am equally annoyed to be dragged into camp of fearful antivaxers as I am annoyed to be dragged into the fearful camp of vaxers. It is that simple, my friend.

    For God's sake stop telling me propaganda or anti-propaganda, that I will be forever sick or die if I take or not take the vaccine.

    The (digital) totality is coming to this world regardless of Covid and regardless of what people will do against it (and most of them are just drinking mojito and sleep with sluts instead of really trying). The cyberpunk totality onset is obvious since Neil Stepehenson started to write books.
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    Yes in Some Eastern European countries it is possible. I know even somebody who did that in Germany.

    But won't be enough anyway. Now it is a vaccine certificate, after that you'll need a certificate for a 3rd shot. Perhaps in the future it will be even a yearly hassle.

    In many countries the jab is voluntary. In theory, but for non-vaccinated people a lot of things will become more difficult.
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    The vaccination cards being used in the US have 4 spots for date tracking. (just saying) And if you think about it, there are 4 spots on the reverse in spanish, so they could be used 8 times without having to issue another one.

    Even the fake ones being sold have the same amount of spots.
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    I have been vaccinated twice. Still, I wouldn't go anywhere without a mask. Because I want to keep my loved ones safe and return to normal or near-normal life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yamadataro View Post
    I have been vaccinated twice. Still, I wouldn't go anywhere without a mask. Because I want to keep my loved ones safe and return to normal or near-normal life.
    A mask works? I use a mask just when it's obligatory. And than it's a mask that's used before, hence doesn't work at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple7 View Post
    A mask works? I use a mask just when it's obligatory. And than it's a mask that's used before, hence doesn't work at all.
    Masks may not be 100% affective, but they do help prevent the virus from becoming airborne. Many people think that masks are only meant to be worn to prevent you from catching the virus, whereas the main intention is to prevent you from spreading the virus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple7 View Post
    A mask works? I use a mask just when it's obligatory. And than it's a mask that's used before, hence doesn't work at all.
    There are various types of masks, such as non-woven masks.
    The effectiveness of the mask has also been proven by evidence in certain tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yamadataro View Post
    There are various types of masks, such as non-woven masks.
    The effectiveness of the mask has also been proven by evidence in certain tests.
    Medical face masks do work a while, but need to be changed after a relatively short time. All other cheap store masks and self-made coffee filters barely work. Lots of people also are using the same mask for weeks or even worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaftDog View Post
    Masks may not be 100% affective, but they do help prevent the virus from becoming airborne. Many people think that masks are only meant to be worn to prevent you from catching the virus, whereas the main intention is to prevent you from spreading the virus.
    For the record I was using facemask when I was ill after I started to visit Japan years ago. And I used them even in the west. In Feb 2020 I already had Covid, brought it from Japan where I probably caught it from Chinese tourists. I thought it is just some hardcore flu, but I did not went to bed. My gf was sick just mildly and one day, so I thought it is nothing serious, just my immunity is not good. After that I had really long long covid before the term was even known. Very funny was when I was at Schiphol airport / Amsterdam approached by guys from army with loaded guns and brought to questions why I am wearing it. If they only knew that after few weeks they will wear it forever too. They forced me to take the mask off.

    There is no doubt the masks work. The question is how they work. For me they work that I go outside much less for example. So I spend much less. If society has to live with covid the mandatory use of facemasks is I am afraid not the way. And again, I like(d) to use them when I do not feel ok as gesture for other people.

    I do not think it can be justified to wear them for long time all the time. The negative health effect must exist. Some are maybe even toxic, because people can put on face weird things from weird materials.

    It made sense to wear them during the first wave when was a hope the virus can be stopped. Now it is obvious the virus will be here forever. The young and healthy suffered way too much. I saw 6 year old guy who "went" first time to school. Via videocall. If he had not ADHD he has it now. Because the school is online for 1 and 1/2 year. There will be hundreds of millions of young people in similar condition. So if there is some right thing to do from moral standpoint, then it is risk the lives of old and sick and let the youngsters be alive (some of them (mostly fat ones) will die too, but that is simply life.

    The selfish thing here is not avoiding the facemasks. Selfish thing here is not to let the young ones live.
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    O, Sherlock.. I feel you.
    I think everybody are tired form this "New rules and restrictions due to COVID".

    It's really annoying to throw lots of money on PCR tests when you need to go somewhere.

    But it's really interesting when we will go back to normal life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gil.langelaan View Post
    O, Sherlock.. I feel you.
    I think everybody are tired form this "New rules and restrictions due to COVID".

    It's really annoying to throw lots of money on PCR tests when you need to go somewhere.

    But it's really interesting when we will go back to normal life?
    Yes. I was in Germany and I wanted to eat a "doner kebab". To eat it inside I needed to show a vaccination certification, a recovery certificate or a test. Wtf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gil.langelaan View Post
    But it's really interesting when we will go back to normal life?
    You will go back to normal life when you stop complying with medical totalitarianism and tyranny.

    Quote Originally Posted by Triple7 View Post
    Yes. I was in Germany and I wanted to eat a "doner kebab". To eat it inside I needed to show a vaccination certification, a recovery certificate or a test. Wtf.
    Human beings do not 100% comply with anything and this issue is far too touchy and has far too much pushback. Official (i.e. bullshit) numbers in many Western countries count 30% "unvaxxed"... how many businesses will survive with 30% less customers?

    They will go bankrupt or change their ways soon enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gil.langelaan View Post
    But it's really interesting when we will go back to normal life?
    This is normal. Or this is yet starting to be normal. I am waiting now two months just to get to where my property is and where 85% of population is vaccinated. I am fully vaccinated at the country too. Waiting at another house at next country where I am leaving once in 14 days shopping groceries. Denied entry because of Delta strain. Instead of trying to cross borders with Afghani refugees (which is now the only way how to cross certain borders - so it is the normal way apparently), I am rather focusing on daily yoga, because this life until death will be very exhausiting.

    Anyone who thinks the good times before 2019 will return is a fool. Masks forever, jabs forever, random lockdowns, economy barely holding is the most free scenario now.

    Just remember 2001 and "temporary" security measures before. Did they ever changed? No.
    Remember 1968 when Russian army invaded Czechoslovakia or US Army invading Afghanistan - it used to be a temporary measure. It took decades and complete change of tide until it forcible ended.
    Remember first big affiliate program stealing. Bwin 10 years ago. Since then stealing became a norm.
    Remember crazy banking regulation about proving the source of income AML and KYC. Now it is a norm even in B2B.

    The national economies are already accomodating to de-globalisation. In LATAM local businesses adapted. Raised prices and lobby for NOT opening forders. Uruguay and Chile is afraid of opening to Argentina, because people would go shopping there, because Argentina is going the way of Venezuela, currency shrinking and it is very cheap there. Argentina is afraid of opening with Paraguay, because people would go shopping there because Paraguay is even cheaper. This is a world wide trend. Borders are closing. Once borders are closed and trade disrupted, we do not need neighbors anymore. Wars can start.

    I think the next step of new normality will be tighter biometric screening. Even before corona there were countries that denied entry without giving a fingerprint. Now I saw the face recognition cameras at airports.

    What is coming is totality. Not possible to avoid. No iluminati behind. It would happen without Covid as well. Antivaxers fighting that are beating a dead horse and they need fake news for that.

    Just people can not govern themselves without oppression so periodically there is a change of more and less free times in history. Bitcoin is the horseman of Apocalypse, that is why it was good to buy it from the beginning.
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    I wonder what that means if you are right. Practically I mean.

    1. Get as many passports as you can.
    2. Buy some very detached property.
    3. Buy only local production to slow/prevent the collapse of your home/s economy.
    4. ?
    5. ?

    Wonder if you are right though. I mean black plague killed like third of the population in Europe or something and i assume not many assumed that trading will resume 4 years later. Not a single person in 1944 would think that 50 years later EU would exist.

    On one had, some things that many consider small or temporary have long lasting effects (such as the things you've mentioned). On the other hand there are also plenty global events that were quickly forgotten.
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    1.-5. was rational thing to do on individual level and still is, more or less. But:

    - likely too late, as I did maybe 80% of that and still I am late and I felt I was late even b4 covid
    - still makes limited sense trying whatever you can do until we are alive
    - probably it will not be enough; even remote areas are dependent on production elsewhere still and that is collapsing. De-globalisation is chaotic. Even living remotely you will need directly or indirectly fossil fuels from elsewhere. Maybe not in 10-30 years when 3D priniting will be used for everything, so for example when your electric tractor breaks an exle you can print it out and not wait for container from China like now (this axle btw. a real problem now I was solving, just the tractor was with normal engine and the part was in Europe).

    Black plague, world wars and other really catastrophic events had one thing in common. People wanted to live.

    Now there is just average pandemics with low mortality on large time scale. 95% of people who died would die soon otherwise (I am very sorry to be brutal here, especially if you lost someone close because of covid). Health care is top in history. So nothing extraordinary happened, but people do extraordinary counter-measures. People do not have the will to survive at all. Everyone is just waiting. Half of people accept everything and spread propaganda. Half of people spread antivax anti-propaganda. But everyone wants their life back. Everyone is waiting for "normality".

    I do not think you understand what I am trying to say. Covid is not rationally comparable to WWII or Plague. But we all act like it is. The cure is the issue here.

    Antivaxers say that the cure is the problem, but I also do not agree. The cure is just the issue of even deeper problem that I was trying to describe above or even years before covid when I said to everyone "buy the bitcoin" (but even having bitcoin will not save anyone).

    The deeper problem is that we want the reset. We want the totality. One can easily imagine survival as Matrix-like. Social networks, internet marketing and city-like lifestyle even out of cities produces Netflix zombies. Maybe they will be culled, maybe not. It does not matter that much. To say it in the most disgusting way.

    I have no idea what is good generally. Also if prepping is a good idea then it is just for few millions of people. The most determined. There is not enough land (but meaybe broadly also space in the cyberspace) for all the billions. Also: Why suggesting something good to someone and then having a competition? If I had winning NFL picks why to share them?

    The problem is that you and everyone else from left to right, incl. me ofc, is infested with idea that there must be a good solution. Good for me and good overall. And thus we create a happy society. It is a bs. Useful bs for illusion called democracy. In hard reality there are good solutions but only for someone. It is the same as being gambling affiliate. You can see hundred of threads here when everyone has a nice excuse why doing this shtjob is no harm for anyone else. But yes, we make a lot of harm, we just like to pretend we are the good ones towards everyone. And yes, if you manage to buy a big self-sustainable property for yourself, you might have a good life, your kids might be happy, your genes will likely survive... but you will simply seize resources for one small village with such a life. So overall people need a society and ideology that will insert into their heads what is harming them on individual level but is bringing survival overall. There is a reason why libertarian societies do not exist. Totalitarian are more effective for overall survival. Especially when there is just more and more people. Totality is a form of self-organisation.

    I am just analysing. Like an alien, who does not care, because I do not, because I feel dead. Totality is coming. It is inevitable. Very likely it is already here, because when you see people, who need to delete the Telegram chat, even when they say nothng suspicious; or when even your banker pays 100% things in cash (no credit card) and he means it seriously, then it is probably here. Stalinist definition of totality is not some big evil that is here like a ghost in a cemetery. Totality is always "total". Invisible. Affecting everyone without protests, so it is total.

    So this is not about Covid for God's sake. This is just a general "autonomous" solution of too many people on the planet who started to play with technologies, so they are way too interconnected. This is why "this is the normal" now and the future development will be only more restrictions.

    Even the opposition to this totality was described decades ago (I count as part of the opposition, but I do not say the oposition or the totality is good or bad, everyone simply wears a certain role during his life). It is the crypto. Cyberpunk. So you can add point 0: learn to encrypt data. Not that you encode love letters to your mistress so your wife does not see it, it is a banal small story. It is a whole alternative underground economy. From that economy will one day ascend the chaos. And that chaos will again start to organize into order and that order will become a totality. Samsara.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PROFRBcom View Post
    You will go back to normal life when you stop complying with medical totalitarianism and tyranny.



    Human beings do not 100% comply with anything and this issue is far too touchy and has far too much pushback. Official (i.e. bullshit) numbers in many Western countries count 30% "unvaxxed"... how many businesses will survive with 30% less customers?

    They will go bankrupt or change their ways soon enough.
    Denmark already dropped the vaccination certificate.

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    I agree that state control is been moving up for decades, tech/computers/internet created things that prior to them weren't possible or imaginable.

    Semi related: I really don't see how BTC is the vehicle of "transformation" or revolution. If indeed we are heading towards totalirianism, as i see it, crypto will either become part of the system or we be fully outlawed that the only things it will be used for is buying fake passports and things of that sort and used by 0.01% of the population (with another 0.09 of them in jail).
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMM View Post

    Semi related: I really don't see how BTC is the vehicle of "transformation" or revolution. If indeed we are heading towards totalirianism, as i see it, crypto will either become part of the system or we be fully outlawed that the only things it will be used for is buying fake passports and things of that sort and used by 0.01% of the population (with another 0.09 of them in jail).
    I think I wrote this at least 20x. 21 is a lucky number.

    Are you doing affiliate marketing? I suppose so. Maybe US affiliate marketing? US gambling? It is irrelevant whether US gambling is the same as fake passports, for the ones with power for sure it is. US gambling and especially US affiliate marketing exists only because of crypto. This is not 0.01% which is some weird number.

    The list of businesses that have no access to banking is growing. So is growing the list of countries that are having problems. Once again, the only people I speak to physically are private bankers. First want to quit, but can not, because has kids. Second want me to start a bitcoin fund with him, because it is the "only way out". Third is quitting and making a private tea room.

    It has nothing to do with legality of bitcoin. Bitcoin will be legal and regulated and it will be used as unrestricted money at once. Pseudonymous currency is great for the same use as used to be cash. It can be tracked, but can be obfuscated. If you need to show to the bank that you money is clear, you can easily on blockchain. If you need to launder the money as drug dealer or from gambling, you can do it as well. It cost you time and money, but you can do it with certain costs like in the good old times.

    The "revolution" of bitcoin is nothing else than bringing back the old times when existed the white, grey and black economy. Because it is a nature of humanity that we need the darker parts as well. Those darker parts are always tens percents of economy and those darker parts need money as well.

    So bitcoin / crypto is and will be on surface a normal white investment vehicle. While deep inside it will be used for everything dark. As a bonus it might be used in countries that were dollarised because they were too weak to have their own consistent currency and this way they will avoid the influence of USA that lost the leadership of the world. I always see hodling bitcoin like having a share in the dark economy (that has the highest ROI) without being directly involved in it. This is what banks and corporations were always doing. On surface it is all shining and supported by society, but deep inside all corps, all banks have roots in the rotten dark economy.

    People in the west want to see Japan with all zaibatsu and keiretsu connected to yakuza as something really weird. While it is normal everywhere in the world. Always was. Just during last few years people decided they will be all whitehat (same stupid philospohy as being green). Such a nonsense. We all need our darker part of soul. Each Persona has a Shadow in Jungian world. Modern people do not like it. We want to purify ourselves. And over and over it does not work. The more we want to be white hat the darker ages come after that. So we wanted to do AML, but the end will be even less AML before AML laws. You just do not have the imagination, because your mind was infested by Fukuyama.

    To write it in one sentence: bitcoin is the most conservative money ever invented - an antirevolution.
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