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    The South African focused Yebo Casino which is powered by Realtime Gaming has in my opinion just proven that they have complete control over your stats including the ability to remove tagged players at will.

    I had been promoting Yebo Casino when they first opened and did pretty well with them. They converted well and paid earnings on time. Then the new owner/s arrived and my earnings immediately took a nose dive. I removed them from top positions on my site as would be expected.

    After some time the new owner / aff manager talked me into putting Yebo Casino back into a prominent position on my website. I agreed on condition that there was a minimum earning fee included in the agreement. We both agreed.

    Several months later affiliate earnings were mostly always below the agreed minimum amount. Big winners always ate into any profit. Anyway they paid according to our agreement.

    On the 14th of October I had had enough informed my aff manager that I wanted to cancel our agreement and gave him the agreed 30 days notice. He asked why and I pointed out their continued poor performance and also the fact that Yebo Casino was in the #1 position on a site that was being promoted using an illegal South African Adwords campaign. He replied that he was happy to cancel the agreement immediately. So I removed Yebo Casino from the prime position that they were in.

    I guess I must have really pissed him off because the 14th of October was the last day any of my referred players made a deposit. It appears that all my players have been shaved.

    This screenshot is of my Yebo Affiliates account for Oct 2016. The highlighted section is two weeks of data.



    As can be seen not one deposit except a small FTD that has not made a subsequent deposit. No deposits for the last 16 days is highly unusual for this account and does not follow the deposit history for this entire year.

    Just to prove that these stats are current here is a screenshot of my Yebo Affiliates account showing stats pulled today for October 2016.



    What RTG casino is not stealing from you if it is this easy to fiddle with your stats? In my opinion they all steal, it's just that some are more subtle than others.
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    Fiddling of stats must be so blatant that affiliates don't give a **** anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaftDog View Post
    Fiddling of stats must be so blatant that affiliates don't give a **** anymore.
    Programs should not be able to do this, let alone actually doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaftDog View Post
    Fiddling of stats must be so blatant that affiliates don't give a **** anymore.
    To be 100% honest. Actually I am a bit of scared to write about the scams, because if the few honest guys who read this forum well realize how far this went, then I can just choose another job.
    We are all bloodsucking ticks, hungry, devious
    each one latched on to the ass of the previous
    when the last and the first latch on it can be shown
    ass-blood sucked by the first from the last is his own

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    To be 100% honest. Actually I am a bit of scared to write about the scams, because if the few honest guys who read this forum well realize how far this went, then I can just choose another job.
    Sharing your scam experiences won't turn other honest affiliates into crooks. It will enlighten them and make it more difficult for them to be scammed too.

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    I'd be interested to read some of the responses of the RTG casino affiliate managers regarding this post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetbet View Post
    I'd be interested to read some of the responses of the RTG casino affiliate managers regarding this post.
    That would be very helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetbet View Post
    I'd be interested to read some of the responses of the RTG casino affiliate managers regarding this post.
    Just to throw my hat in the ring and say that we as an RTG operator and affiliate program do not fudge numbers nor do we shave players.

    There are very good reasons why we have been around for over 11 years and outlasted our competition. The industry is built upon trust and this is what I feel we've built up over the last 11 years to achieve a strong foothold in the online gambling space.

    Obviously I cannot comment for the way others do business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE-Martyn View Post
    Just to throw my hat in the ring and say that we as an RTG operator and affiliate program do not fudge numbers nor do we shave players.

    There are very good reasons why we have been around for over 11 years and outlasted our competition. The industry is built upon trust and this is what I feel we've built up over the last 11 years to achieve a strong foothold in the online gambling space.

    Obviously I cannot comment for the way others do business.
    Thanks for your input Martyn. Most affiliates know you guys are a decent bunch.

    I have to ask this question though. Why does RTG allow for the possibility of the stats to be manipulated by its operators in this way? It's a very big temptation.

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    That's a disgrace and stats look like obvious shaving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaftDog View Post
    Thanks for your input Martyn. Most affiliates know you guys are a decent bunch.

    I have to ask this question though. Why does RTG allow for the possibility of the stats to be manipulated by its operators in this way? It's a very big temptation.
    Thanks, from what I see there is no way or obvious way to fiddle stats such as the numbers of clicks, signups, FTD's etc so i don't know how it's done, nor do i want to know. If you're running a business and want it to succeed, run it well. Those that want the fast money will make it for a while before people start to realise that something isn't right. Thats when questions start to be asked and you realise you're not the only one.

    What you shouldn't do however, is think yeh they're shaving but I'm making great money. Stop promoting and watch the activity drop off a little too fast, that'll confirm your suspicions. Then promote us if you're not doing so already.

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    I would also like to throw my Hat in here and say that in NO WAY SHOULD IT BE POSSIBLE for any affiliate program to be able to do this it's not fair on affiliates and just isn't the way a good business and good affiliate program should be run . We can sit here all day and point fingers at programs who we think are doing this but its up to affiliates who have experienced this to bring it out in the open and show people how it's been done so we can clean up the industry for good ..AE is a good example of a well managed , well run and honest program a good example for all of us.. Don't Put all RTG Operators in the same Hat its not fair on those of us trying to do things right..

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    @AE-Martyn and @Miles_FTA. Thanks for the feedback I really appreciate the fact that there are some AM's who actually do give a damn about their clients.

    I don't suppose you guys have access to the actual casino side of your operations? Can you vouch 100% that the casino manager does not have the ability to un-tag players?

    The reason I ask this is that I believe Yebo Casino and Yebo Affiliates are basically a one or two man operation and that the affiliate manager also has direct access to the casino operations. I can only assume that is how my players just mysteriously stopped depositing.

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    Now its time for a "fact check", Mr Trump!!

    Firstly, regarding the OP's claim about illegal adwords campaigns:

    The OP failed to mention that before he started complaining about these campaigns the OP in fact was doing these campaigns himself. Yes folks, you read that right. The website he was using was: www(dot)casinosa.info. Funny how this site now no longer exists

    When the OP started these campaigns he was pushing another casino (White Lotus) and was complaining about their conversions. I offered him to switch out the brands to see if we could perform better. We even offered to assist and advise where possible i.e. contribute to the monthly spend of the campaigns.

    After about 10 days of not being able to successfully run these campaigns the OP did an about turn and decided that they were now illegal and it was not fair for other affiliates to be running them if he couldn't.
    He then accused us of owning these sites claiming that only operators would be able to run these types of campaigns and the fact that our casino was number 1 on the site meant we owned these sites... The OP asked me to disclose who owned these sites and obviously for privacy concerns we cannot reveal this info. I repeatedly asked the OP to contact the other casinos listed on the site to check with them if we owned these sites and he just ignored this.

    If in fact these sites did belong to us (which they don't) why would we have openly assisted him to compete against us? The fact of the matter these sites are owned and run by our affiliates and if the affiliate in question wants to come forward and back up my claim that would be great.

    Regarding the claim that we or RTG are manipulating the stats:

    I'm sorry "Mr Trump" but you are talking dog doodoo!!! (again!)

    Unfortunately because I have not posted much on GPWA it wont allow me to put a screen shot of the affiliate stats. If the OP could be so kind to add the screen shot for October until today that would be great. Alternatively I can request the GPWA guys to allow me to post the screen
    In the screen shot It's interesting how the OP did not share the full picture of his stats, especially the amount of unique sessions of his players which are very low. The account has a very small amount of players and the fact of the matter is that his players simply did not play/deposit much for those few days that he thinks the stats were manipulated!!! (c'mon man!!!).

    Finally, the OP has consistently complained that he has too many winners with our casino and this effected his earnings. In fact as he mentioned in a previous post, we gave the OP a min monthly guarantee to protect him against winning players. The min guarantee ran for +/- 3 months and were running at a big loss for us but I took the decision to continue paying the OP because i honestly believed there was future potential there and I wanted to help the OP grow with us.

    In hind site it seems the OP simply did not want his players to win and if they did win it seems he did not want us to pay them (I'm speculating here but i find it strange the OP complains about the risk of winners when we are paying him a min guarantee to protect him against winners).

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    You should be able to post a screenshot now.
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    Sorry but still not able to post the image..

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    I actually find Trump to be the more credible of the two main candidates in the US election. I'm confused on how "Mr. Trump" is being used here...

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    Anthony I sent you the screenshot yesterday, please post as you said you would??

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    The magician who magically made my depositors disappear from my stats for over two weeks is trying a misdirect to focus your attention away from the elephant in the room.

    Quote Originally Posted by yebocasino View Post
    The OP failed to mention that before he started complaining about these campaigns the OP in fact was doing these campaigns himself. Yes folks, you read that right. The website he was using was: www(dot)casinosa.info. Funny how this site now no longer exists
    I shut vvv.casinosa.info down once your teams campaign was shut down.

    Yes I created an Adwords campaign similar to yours to get a better insight into how you guys were ripping the rest of us affiliates off. I even mentioned this to another SA affiliate. They are welcomed to post here to confirm this. That's how I discovered that you would need a big budget to fund such campaigns.

    Strange that when a group of us SA affiliates put pressure on you to stop assisting these campaigns they just magically disappeared, or did Google finally shut you down?

    Quote Originally Posted by yebocasino View Post
    I offered him to switch out the brands to see if we could perform better. We even offered to assist and advise where possible i.e. contribute to the monthly spend of the campaigns.
    Yes you did and that is why I did not accept your offer because, in my opinion, that was proof that you were fronting the other Adword campaign too. You needed to tie me into an agreement that would assist your spend on the other.

    I repeatedly asked the OP to contact the other casinos listed on the site to check with them if we owned these sites and he just ignored this.
    Now that is laughable. Don't you think that was the first thing I looked at. There were no contact pages on those sites and Whois info revealed they were protected by Domains by Proxy.

    Quote Originally Posted by yebocasino View Post
    Regarding the claim that we or RTG are manipulating the stats:

    I'm sorry "Mr Trump" but you are talking dog doodoo!!! (again!)
    Another misdirect. I never accused RTG of fiddling the stats, I accused you.

    Quote Originally Posted by yebocasino View Post
    Unfortunately because I have not posted much on GPWA it wont allow me to put a screen shot of the affiliate stats. If the OP could be so kind to add the screen shot for October until today that would be great. Alternatively I can request the GPWA guys to allow me to post the screen
    In the screen shot It's interesting how the OP did not share the full picture of his stats, especially the amount of unique sessions of his players which are very low. The account has a very small amount of players and the fact of the matter is that his players simply did not play/deposit much for those few days that he thinks the stats were manipulated!!! (c'mon man!!!).
    Sure, I'll post a screenshot of Octobers stats until today, no problem. You're correct, in part, my figures are not fantastic. But that was one of my gripes with you and I told you many times that Yebo Casino is a poor converter since you took over running the brand. It's not just me that thinks so, other affiliates can back me up too, if they wish to.

    I decided not to post screenshots but the full stats for September and October.

    Complete stats for Sept 2016: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...-sept-2016.xls
    Complete stats for Oct 2016: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...-sept-2016.xls

    Quote Originally Posted by yebocasino View Post
    Finally, the OP has consistently complained that he has too many winners with our casino and this effected his earnings. In fact as he mentioned in a previous post, we gave the OP a min monthly guarantee to protect him against winning players.
    LMFAO! I wanted to remove you from your position on my site. We agreed to a minimum guarantee so that you could keep it. For the number of unique players per month I certainly do seem to attract mostly winners.

    I have nothing against players winning but I also have costs to cover.

    Quote Originally Posted by yebocasino View Post
    In hind site it seems the OP simply did not want his players to win and if they did win it seems he did not want us to pay them (I'm speculating here but i find it strange the OP complains about the risk of winners when we are paying him a min guarantee to protect him against winners).
    I did not want you to pay winners? Really? I actually don't have a response to that I'm so flabbergasted.

    Elephant in the Room

    I see you failed to explain why there were no deposits from the 15th to the 31st of Oct 2016? Then suddenly a few start again on the 1st of Nov, the same date I started this thread.

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    The magician who magically made my depositors disappear from my stats for over two weeks is trying a misdirect to focus your attention away from the elephant in the room.
    Where do you see two weeks? There were 8 days I believe that your players simply did not play. Please provide full stats.

    I shut vvv.casinosa.info down once your teams campaign was shut down.

    Yes I created an Adwords campaign similar to yours to get a better insight into how you guys were ripping the rest of us affiliates off. I even mentioned this to another SA affiliate. They are welcomed to post here to confirm this. That's how I discovered that you would need a big budget to fund such campaigns.

    Strange that when a group of us SA affiliates put pressure on you to stop assisting these campaigns they just magically disappeared, or did Google finally shut you down?
    But you were promoting White Lotus casino first and then complained they were not converting well so came to us. Why would you need us to prove how affiliates were being ripped off, surely your testing could have been done with one brand and you could have determined the costs and ROI of these campaigns by using this brand? In fact i recall that after just 1 day of promoting us we outperformed White Lotus and you agreed to push forward with our campaign. Please explain your findings and outcomes on how your tests proved we were ripping you off seeing as you went to such lengths to lose money to prove this?

    Sure, I'll post a screenshot of Octobers stats until today, no problem. You're correct, in part, my figures are not fantastic. But that was one of my gripes with you and I told you many times that Yebo Casino is a poor converter since you took over running the brand. It's not just me that thinks so, other affiliates can back me up too, if they wish to.

    I decided not to post screenshots but the full stats for September and October.
    Please post full Oct and Nov stats for your both accounts i.e. include your adwords account which you are still earning revenues on by the way.

    LMFAO! I wanted to remove you from your position on my site. We agreed to a minimum guarantee so that you could keep it. For the number of unique players per month I certainly do seem to attract mostly winners.

    I have nothing against players winning but I also have costs to cover.
    There was no such agreement whatsoever on min player requirements, it was a flat guarantee that you wanted of which i agreed to. In fact i recall one month where you delivered no new players and we spoke about this and you even jokingly said to me "Am i running a charity".

    Elephant in the Room

    I see you failed to explain why there were no deposits from the 15th to the 31st of Oct 2016? Then suddenly a few start again on the 1st of Nov, the same date I started this thread.
    I explained that your hand full of players were not playing over that period. Why they were not playing I have no idea and why they started playing again on a specific date i cannot explain either. Please post full stats including Oct and November

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