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    Quote Originally Posted by yebocasino View Post
    Where do you see two weeks? There were 8 days I believe that your players simply did not play. Please provide full stats.
    Look at the first screenshot in this thread, which was created on the 1st of November. My players magically stopped depositing from the 14th to the 31st of Oct. That is 18 days in a row with zero deposits. Very strange indeed compared to the history of my account.

    Quote Originally Posted by yebocasino
    There was no such agreement whatsoever on min player requirements, it was a flat guarantee that you wanted of which i agreed to. In fact i recall one month where you delivered no new players and we spoke about this and you even jokingly said to me "Am i running a charity".
    Just remember that I have the original Skype chat about this so I can prove that you are twisting things around.

    I never said it was not a flat guarantee. When I joked about you "running a charity" it was because of all the winners my account has. I can post the original chat if you want me too?

    Here are my complete stats for my other Yebo aff account that I used for the Adwords campaign: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...ds-Account.xls

    After all that only two depositing players who both go onto win as well.
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    Look at the first screenshot in this thread, which was created on the 1st of November. My players magically stopped depositing from the 14th to the 31st of Oct. That is 18 days in a row with zero deposits. Very strange indeed compared to the history of my account.
    Again, there is nothing magical here.. Players simply did not play over that period and then started up again. Why this occurred I can never know apart from contacting these players to ask why they didn't play over that period. Not practical.

    Just remember that I have the original Skype chat about this so I can prove that you are twisting things around.

    I never said it was not a flat guarantee. When I joked about you "running a charity" it was because of all the winners my account has. I can post the original chat if you want me too?

    Here are my complete stats for my other Yebo aff account that I used for the Adwords campaign: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...ds-Account.xls

    After all that only two depositing players who both go onto win as well.
    Please go ahead, I have the same conversations saved on my skype and we have absolutely nothing to hide

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    [9/7/2016 11:02:35 AM] Yebo: didn't reach the min guarantee for last month
    [9/7/2016 11:02:58 AM] Yebo: did you notice a chane in rankings ?
    [9/7/2016 11:03:19 AM] DaftDog: I see that. For a while I thought you were running a charity.
    [9/7/2016 11:03:49 AM] DaftDog: My sign-ups for Springbok and White Lotus were above average.
    [9/7/2016 11:03:59 AM] DaftDog: Have not seen a change in rankings
    [9/7/2016 11:04:19 AM] DaftDog: Just kidding about the charity.
    [9/7/2016 11:04:29 AM] DaftDog: I know players do win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaftDog View Post
    [9/7/2016 11:02:35 AM] Dbob: didn't reach the min guarantee for last month
    [9/7/2016 11:02:58 AM] Dbob: did you notice a chane in rankings ?
    [9/7/2016 11:03:19 AM] Daftdog: I see that. For a while I thought you were running a charity.
    [9/7/2016 11:03:49 AM] Daftdog: My sign-ups for Springbok and White Lotus were above average.
    [9/7/2016 11:03:59 AM] Daftdog: Have not seen a change in rankings
    [9/7/2016 11:04:19 AM] Daftdog: Just kidding about the charity.
    [9/7/2016 11:04:29 AM] Daftdog: I know players do win.
    And now for the complete transcript (I have replaced your name with your handle)

    [9/7/2016 11:02:35 AM] Dbob: didn't reach the min guarantee for last month
    [9/7/2016 11:02:58 AM] Dbob: did you notice a chane in rankings ?
    [9/7/2016 11:03:19 AM] Daftdog: I see that. For a while I thought you were running a charity.
    [9/7/2016 11:03:49 AM] Daftdog: My sign-ups for Springbok and White Lotus were above average.
    [9/7/2016 11:03:59 AM] Daftdog: Have not seen a change in rankings
    [9/7/2016 11:04:19 AM] Daftdog: Just kidding about the charity.
    [9/7/2016 11:04:29 AM] Daftdog: I know players do win.

    [9/7/2016 11:05:22 AM] Dbob: we paid out over R4mil last month dude!
    [9/7/2016 11:05:34 AM] Daftdog: wow
    [9/7/2016 11:05:39 AM] Dbob: its normal
    [9/7/2016 11:05:43 AM] Daftdog: hope you made more than that.
    [9/7/2016 11:05:43 AM] Dbob: players are winning all the time
    [9/7/2016 12:09:40 PM] Daftdog: How are you converting with Adwords?
    [9/7/2016 12:14:37 PM] Daftdog: I'm using it on www.casinosa.info. Pretty expensive and low conversion rate so far.
    [9/7/2016 12:14:58 PM] Dbob: cause you not working with us yet
    [9/7/2016 12:15:09 PM] Daftdog: well that's why I ask.
    [9/7/2016 12:16:24 PM] Dbob: whats your click to deposit and your sign up to deposit rate currently ?
    [9/7/2016 12:21:21 PM] Daftdog: I've been running since Fri afternoon and only one ftd at White Lotus.
    [9/7/2016 12:21:51 PM] Daftdog: seems it's just mainly other affiliates clicking
    [9/7/2016 12:28:10 PM] Dbob: our conversions are good
    [9/7/2016 12:28:22 PM] Dbob: you want to try it for a day or so ?
    [9/7/2016 12:29:03 PM] Daftdog: I'll give it a bash and see.
    [9/7/2016 12:29:31 PM] Dbob: ok, i'll monitor
    [9/7/2016 12:29:54 PM] Daftdog: I'll let you know when it's up.

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    Really, is that the best you can come up with? What am I hiding?

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    ps you have not edited your quote.

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    They sound bent as a nine bob note.

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    I guess the relationship is over then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yebocasino View Post
    Anthony I sent you the screenshot yesterday, please post as you said you would??
    Since it has affiliate stats on it, I asked DaftDog permission to post it, if he gives me permission I will post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony View Post
    Since it has affiliate stats on it, I asked DaftDog permission to post it, if he gives me permission I will post.
    I have posted links to all my stats for Sept and Oct in this post: https://www.gpwa.org/forum/yebo-casi...tml#post831152

    Therefore I decline permission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaftDog View Post
    I have posted links to all my stats for Sept and Oct in this post: https://www.gpwa.org/forum/yebo-casi...tml#post831152

    Therefore I decline permission.
    This is for Oct leading into November as we have discussed. As you have already stated you thought that we removed your players from the 14th Oct and then put them back on the 1st Nov.. you can clearly see there is game play between these dates, yes no deposits but game play... Why no deposits I honestly cant answer this.. players play when they want to play..

    http://www.imagebox1.com/images/yebo/Untitled.png


    P.S. Anthony this is the same URL i sent you yesterday requesting you to post this tot he forum as I did not yet have rights to do this on GPWA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yebocasino View Post
    This is for Oct leading into November as we have discussed. As you have already stated you thought that we removed your players from the 14th Oct and then put them back on the 1st Nov.. you can clearly see there is game play between these dates, yes no deposits but game play... Why no deposits I honestly cant answer this.. players play when they want to play..

    http://www.imagebox1.com/images/yebo/Untitled.png


    P.S. Anthony this is the same URL i sent you yesterday requesting you to post this tot he forum as I did not yet have rights to do this on GPWA.
    Summary: My stats basically went dead for 18 days after I informed you that I was canceling our deal. That's a pretty big coincidence.

    I've removed all links to Yebo Casino from my site and won't be promoting it again.

    That's where I'm leaving it now as I have other more important work.

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    I agree itdoes seem a strange coincidence that the stats came back to life suddenly after being 'dead'. It's not a great sign is it.

    Unfortunately in that screenshot we don't have player numbers though. How many active accounts etc would have been really useful data cos I've seen 1-2 players go dead then come back, but if it's 10-20+ then it's highly unlikely that they'd all just go dead then suddenly come back.

    Total signups + total active accounts and individual account data would help here.

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    Look I can't comment on any of the alleged shaving or whatever else. But does nobody else see an issue with the fact that this affiliate went to the forum screaming that people were running illegal blackhat PPC campaigns (https://www.gpwa.org/forum/google-ad...ca-229351.html) but the affiliate himself had been running the campaigns in question until he had a falling out with the operator that he was promoting on his own blackhat ppc pages?

    I would say that its just as bad and unethical as the operators that you are alleging are defrauding you. Wow the nerve of some people when it comes to money...

    Quote from the post/link above...

    "All we are asking for is a level playing field, whats fair for one should be fair for all."

    So it was fair when you were running blackhat campaigns, but now that you are not, its not ok? Give your head a shake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hublot View Post
    Look I can't comment on any of the alleged shaving or whatever else. But does nobody else see an issue with the fact that this affiliate went to the forum screaming that people were running illegal blackhat PPC campaigns (https://www.gpwa.org/forum/google-ad...ca-229351.html) but the affiliate himself had been running the campaigns in question until he had a falling out with the operator that he was promoting on his own blackhat ppc pages?

    I would say that its just as bad and unethical as the operators that you are alleging are defrauding you. Wow the nerve of some people when it comes to money...

    Quote from the post/link above...

    "All we are asking for is a level playing field, whats fair for one should be fair for all."

    So it was fair when you were running blackhat campaigns, but now that you are not, its not ok? Give your head a shake.
    I think you misinterpreted my meaning of "All we are asking for is a level playing field, whats fair for one should be fair for all.".

    What I meant by that was that if Google Adwords allowed the promotion of online casinos in South Africa then we all could participate legally. That would put us all on a level playing field and be fair to all.

    ps I ran my own Adwords campaign to get an insight into how the whole operation worked and how they were getting passed the Google Adwords approval team. It ran for about six weeks. So there is no need for me to give my head a shake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaftDog View Post
    I think you misinterpreted my meaning of "All we are asking for is a level playing field, whats fair for one should be fair for all.".

    What I meant by that was that if Google Adwords allowed the promotion of online casinos in South Africa then we all could participate legally. That would put us all on a level playing field and be fair to all.

    ps I ran my own Adwords campaign to get an insight into how the whole operation worked and how they were getting passed the Google Adwords approval team. It ran for about six weeks. So there is no need for me to give my head a shake.
    That's a load of bullsh!t, you would have mentioned that in your post if that was the case, you didn't because you knew you were in the same boat as the people you were calling out. You only acknowledged this after that account manager outed you with the chat transcripts.

    And it doesn't matter if you only ran it for 6 weeks, you knew what you were doing was wrong and you did it anyways, doesn't matter if it was 6 weeks, 6 days, 6 hours, you knowingly circumvented the Adwords policies to get your ads listed where they shouldn't have been.

    Your GPWA accreditations should be reviewed because you knowingly used malicious search engine techniques, which are clearly in violation of the terms set forth by the GPWA.

    https://www.gpwa.org/portal_sites/portal_seal.asp

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    Quote Originally Posted by hublot View Post
    That's a load of bullsh!t, you would have mentioned that in your post if that was the case, you didn't because you knew you were in the same boat as the people you were calling out. You only acknowledged this after that account manager outed you with the chat transcripts.

    And it doesn't matter if you only ran it for 6 weeks, you knew what you were doing was wrong and you did it anyways, doesn't matter if it was 6 weeks, 6 days, 6 hours, you knowingly circumvented the Adwords policies to get your ads listed where they shouldn't have been.

    Your GPWA accreditations should be reviewed because you knowingly used malicious search engine techniques, which are clearly in violation of the terms set forth by the GPWA.

    https://www.gpwa.org/portal_sites/portal_seal.asp
    Can I ask you to post in the other thread related to the Google Adwords thread of mine so as to avoid derailing this one. It's over here: https://www.gpwa.org/forum/google-ad...ca-229351.html. This thread is related to my accusations against Yebo Casino. Thank you.

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    Yep looks like this topic is getting derailed, which is a classic distraction technique. The issue at hand is the customers suddenly going missing, then coming back. DaftDog do you have any idea of how many active users there were? How many signups you sent to Yebo Casino etc etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RacingJim View Post
    Yep looks like this topic is getting derailed, which is a classic distraction technique. The issue at hand is the customers suddenly going missing, then coming back. DaftDog do you have any idea of how many active users there were? How many signups you sent to Yebo Casino etc etc.
    The average uniques per month for the last six months = 19.8
    Ftd's for the entire year to end of Oct = 8 (Really poor and a fraction of the previous year.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaftDog View Post
    The average uniques per month for the last six months = 19.8
    Ftd's for the entire year to end of Oct = 8 (Really poor and a fraction of the previous year.)
    By uniques per month do you mean unique users?
    8 FTDs is poor I agree, especially if it compares badly to previous performance

    So the issues are:

    - New owners came in, immediately revenue dropped and performance dropped including low conversion %
    We've all seen this before in this industry and it stinks. It seems like all we can do about it is drop the program/reduce coverage as no-one is really batting for us.

    - You then had a disagreement with the casino and terminated the deal for top positions on the site. Immediately deposits and players stopped, a 'funny' coincidence.
    This is the biggest concern for me, as you said, if proven this shows affiliate programs can turn on or off our stats like a tap.

    - The casino is also taking part in Adwords that might seek to gain an unfair advantage over its own affiliates. Probably the least of the issues really (in my opinion), as PPC is a bit of a minefield anyway, but in the context of the other stuff, it is another potential stain on the owners of this casino.

    I'd be very interested if you can dig in to player data at individual account level on that software? Stats are your friend here, if you can show the days before had average of 20 accounts active, then it suddenly drops to nothing on the day you have a disagreement, then I think we can close this case here and now and mark them as rogue. I know off this I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole anyway.

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