you, or any Second Tier Affiliate will not

[Vrindavan]

>> you, or any Second Tier Affiliate will not

Received 2 emails from different groups that contain change in terms and conditions regarding legislative developments in France,

How can I control what my recruited webmasters do ?

By placing a webmaster referral link on a website.
An affiliate can recruit anyone all over the world without knowing who's who even after recruited/sponsored.

It is not reasonable and fair to bundle two parties together.

[jarvi]

This is a similar term to what Affiliate Lounge included and when questioned about whether they can tell us our sub-affiliates they said no. When I asked how we can control what sub-affiliates do if we don't know who they are, it was 'referred to the lawyers'. That was something like two years ago and I'm still waiting for the answer.

I haven't asked WagerShare if they can identify out sub-affiliates yet, however, if it's like most programs I'm guessing the answer is no.

I sometimes wonder if anyone even remotely connected to our industry actually reads the final version of the terms and conditions to see if they are even possible to adhere to from an affiliate's point of view.

[universal4]

Well I don't think it is that they "can't" identify the sub affiliates, it's just that they "won't" identify the subs to us.

If we get credit for them, they the parent/child relationship link is accurate in the stats, so a query can in fact be run and the subs identified.

They may feel that the privacy agreement they have with these affiliates restricts them from discussing specifics with us reguarding those affiliates and on one hand I understand that.....although I have aways felt that they could easily give us the affid or other non-personal identifying info without breaking any privacy agreements...

It may be that "the lawyers" feel that since some commissions are derived as a result of the subs, they feel it necessary to put a clause in that we agree that we (or our subs) will not actively promote to the players in France....nut it seems to me that if each individual affiliate agrees to the terms not to promote to France themselves then the sub affiliate part of the clause is redundant anyway.

As an example:
Affiliate A has 2 subs, Affiliate B and Affiliate C

If Affiliate B has already agreed to the terms, and Affiliate C refuses to then Affiliate A would continue to earn from B but C would be dropped from the program so the clause would be uin-necessary in both cases.

And James, you and I have each waited more than a year before to have questions answered....when will we learn that after a few months we should just have someone else ask?? (sad isn't it?)

Rick
Universal4

[jarvi]

Yes Rick, poor choice of words when I said if they can identify them. Party Partners identify them, technically Euro Partners, and any other program where we know the username means we can identify them using a quick search for links. About they only thing we can see with Euro Partners at the moment... Back on track though.

Actually off track again. I can now access the Affiliate Lounge affiliate area and I never clicked the Accept button. I think I requested a password reminder and the link in the email sent me to a page where I didn't have to accept the terms. Something like that anyway.

I've emailed WagerShare to see what the answer is and will report back.

[jarvi]

Here's the reply from the WagerShare team.

You will only have sub-affiliates if you signed up affiliates underneath you. It is not something we do, you would have done it so you would know about it.

Regards

WagerShare Support

Not the most clear piece of writing I've seen. First sentence says they don't do it, second sentence says if it was done I would have done it.

I think they mean that if affiliates have set up their own sub-affiliate program. I wasn't aware of people doing that. Anyone set their own sub-affiliates up for any program?

[thepokerkeep]

You will only have sub-affiliates if you signed up affiliates underneath you. It is not something we do, you would have done it so you would know about it.

Regards

WagerShare Support

So, what they're saying is that you have to physically register any sub affiliates you refer otherwise you don't get credit for them.

Is it even possible to register someone else as an affiliate? Do you have to fill out the app on their behalf?

F**ked up system if you ask me.....

[Vrindavan]

similar situation

An affiliate sent a visitor by chance who did fraudulent transaction on one advertiser/merchant's site.

The affiliate network terminated this affiliate account without notification and forfeit all his commission balance because they think the affiliate is responsible.

Affiliate is innocient. Perhaps he should put a statement next to every affiliate link on his website like the following.

If you are going to fraud/cheat this seller, please do not go to the seller's site through my links on this page !

I bet it will not work.