All 22 casinos in rewards player emails and links to CR website

[arkyt]

Is there a possible solution forthcoming? Meaning, what can we expect as far as halting the crossmarketing? Or are we being asked to accept this practice?

Those are the questions that need to be answered; hopefully we can get a response soon.

[Bonus Paradise]

Some of these mailings work for us also.

CR have the best stats of anyone IMO, and if you keep digging down you will find info like this for individual players:



This player registered in 2005 and never played until 2010, and has been playing ever since.

This is by no means an exception, I see quite a few players that have come back much later due to excellent retention efforts, and I also see players that have been playing regularly for years.

So it's not like every player gets snatched away, and they do put effort in retention.

There are a lot of good things about CR, and I always give credit where credit is due.

That does, however, not change that the untagged cross promotions need to be dealt with, they do hurt us.

I agree on that, also see such players in my stats, it is true that Rewards does a good job on player retention.
Still, I always wondered why I do not earn much more with Rewards, if I compare it to some other programs which have much less casinos than rewards, then I have to say, my earnings at Rewards are low.

I follow this thread with much interest and also hoping for a solution about the untagged cross marketing.

[GamTrak]

Still, I always wondered why I do not earn much more with Rewards, if I compare it to some other programs which have much less casinos than rewards, then I have to say, my earnings at Rewards are low.

This is the point that I neglected to mention and the reason that I've not promoted them very much for the past 5 years. Glad that you reminded me.

Good luck with this issue everyone.

[shar61]

Casino Rewards openly admit that they are in fact cross-promoting without affiliate tags.
Well, that tells the whole story right there. Whats to make up your minds about?
I have read this entire thread and it seems to me that some peeps are somewhat scared
that they going to offend the CR group. Just because they have been in business for 10 years
does not mean that any unethical practices has ever went on. No wonder I never had any clicks, downloads or players!

[Dominique]

Renee, are you talking about this with the powers that be?

[diceman]

1. They changed the affiliate agreement to a % of wagers!
2. They sent out emails with a time limit to (opt out) of something (IMO) clearly gives a loss.
3. Then when asked to please go back to the original agreement you get refused and told your better off with the new program. Yet you have no way to check. No “deposits” only wagers in the stats…. WHY? You all know why.
4. They cross market without giving you credit... "Glad I dont promote them heavy"

AND THEY RAKE FROM IT ALL!!
Enough so to have money to literally swallow the market and “fanboys” as I like to call them directing people to trust CR. Anyone and everyone that knows, I have openly complained about CR. Its not like I am just doing it just to do it. Even though I dont express myself very well sometimes and it makes me sound ignorant, I know what I am talking about. Honestly though, how can you fight them from a business level when they continue to buy properties you have worked a long time with?

(now for a rant)
People like to say "its just business" and I get tired of this comment. To me “Its just ethical or not ethical”.. can we say that? and can we also stop hiding behind "your views" or what it really is "your justification". Everyone justifies their actions and hell to keep it real some people think gambling and the whole industry is unethical. Even those that call themselves Christians work for predatory companies and banks (all hiding behind the “its business” bullshit). We are all guilty of some bullshit one way or the other. HOWEVER! We all understand what’s really going on here.. so instead of making excuses or trying to find a way to explain it away or even us wasting time trying to get answers, Why not come “for real” on it all?
I mean why not? Casino Rewards, just say… “Yes, we cross market without aff tags and LOVE money and yes we setup things to make even MORE money… duh... Its what we do”. Just with the all fancy “professional” way of saying it.

Everyone try this sometime… be honest with yourself… its ******* liberating!

[Anthony]

Renee, are you talking about this with the powers that be?

Yes, Renee is talking with the powers that be and should have something posted in the next few days.

[GCG]

For my other test account I got one cross promo from this casino :

Dear jim
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The newsletters are encouraging players to try their other casinos example

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Until next week,

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These email cross marketing tactics plus untagged text links on all sites to casinorewards.com need to be addressed asap, this IMO is pure theft of players REFERRED BY AFFILIATES.

BTW these are FACTS not assumptions.



If this is not unethical marketing according the - Gambling Portal Webmaster Association - I do not know what is.

We are not natural born altruists*, we are affiliates !!

*(a selfless person dedicated to help others at no personal gain)

[arkyt]

This issue was introduced 40 some days ago ... having a really tough time figuring out how that correlates to "promptly respond" in the C.O.D.

I'm giving them till Monday the 18th - then Ill pull links and get my rogue listings updated and instruct others to do the same.

[Anthony]

I believe there will be a statement Monday.

[GCG]

I believe there will be a statement Monday.

Ok let's see what their statement will be.

[GCG]

Affiliate Complaints

Sponsor will promptly respond to any complaint forwarded by the GPWA or by a GPWA affiliate member on behalf of the affiliate or on behalf of a visitor to a website operated by the affiliate. If the complaint alleges the Sponsor Companies failed to comply with these terms the Sponsor agrees the Sponsor Companies will either provide reasonable evidence of compliance with these terms, or offer a fair resolution of the complaint.

No reply today, how long must we wait (again) to get a response ?

[arkyt]

No reply today, how long must we wait (again) to get a response ?

Well as I stated I was giving them till today - its now after 5:00pm EST so I will start updating my rogue listings. This is well over a month old and its clear that Casino Rewards are intentionally stealing players by instructing players who were referred by affiliates to visit their other casinos (untagged) - sorry but that makes Casino Rewards Affiliate Program ROGUE - no two ways about it - I would advise others to do the same. If GPWA does not wish to hold affiliates interest in high regards, I might have to consider adding GPWA to a ROGUE list as well.

[mojo]

Well as I stated I was giving them till today - its now after 5:00pm EST so I will start updating my rogue listings. This is well over a month old and its clear that Casino Rewards are intentionally stealing players by instructing players who were referred by affiliates to visit their other casinos (untagged) - sorry but that makes Casino Rewards Affiliate Program ROGUE - no two ways about it - I would advise others to do the same. If GPWA does not wish to hold affiliates interest in high regards, I might have to consider adding GPWA to a ROGUE list as well.

I haven't given up yet. It's about 6pm here and I think that's about the time Renee comes in, my time.

[Smoking]

I haven't given up yet. It's about 6pm here and I think that's about the time Renee comes in, my time.

and that would be Tuesday then

[mojo]

and that would be Tuesday then

Yes, Tues 8am according to the world clock. I suspect she'll be in soon.

[Renee]

Hi guys

I was waiting to speak with Michael before posting a reply. Unfortunately we hadn't had a chance to talk until now.

I will need to speak with the bosses again today so it may be another 24 hours until I post something. Please bare with me. I'm not ignoring this.

Cheers

[arkyt]

Thanks for the update.

Pages are ready, but I will give it another 24 hours before publishing.

[Jamie - RateMyCasino]

I feel very sorry for Renee. Top affiliate manager and she is in a very hard position right now. But will be pulling this programs brands down. Nothing against Renee at all personally. Unless they agree to giving credit to affiliates when cross promoting.

[DaftDog]

I don't feel sorry for Renee as I feel she is quite capable of handling this whole episode very professionally. Sooner or later we all get tested.