Bewinners Refusal to Change Predatory Terms and Conditions - Facebook.

[GFPC]

Recently BWIN opened a Bewinners Facebook Fan Page. It is open to the public which is why I am posting this here. I am really disappointed in their replies on there and the complete refusal to edit or change the terms at all. I had originally had high hopes of them to really do what was right. Instead they have slapped us down hard. They totally have no respect for their affiliates and I suggest everyone who is against Predatory Affiliate Terms to please speak up if you have a moment of you time. I will post on thread in their page which seriously is disgusting. If you want to read the rest join their page.

http://www.facebook.com/bewinners.

READ THIS (edited out last names.) - They clearly state no intentions at all to remove or alter the terms!!!

Dear bewinners!


by bewinners.com on Tuesday, October 19, 2010 at 12:08pm

Thank you for your massive response on the bewinners Facebook page! We know that this period is not easy for anyone and want to say sorry for all the difficulties that the transition has caused you.
The Facebook page was mainly started to inform you and to involve you. To better serve this goal, we started a discussion section, where we would like to learn more about your concerns in a well structured and efficient way. If you want to use it, just click on the “Discussions” tab on the site menu and create a new thread with your question or concern as the title. We will firstly gather your comments and address all of them in detail in a second phase. This will help us in solving the problems together. Of course you can contact your bwin Affiliate Account Manager directly for individual questions too.

Your bewinners Team



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  • Aleksandar You don't have to be sorry - just cancel the new predatory terms you've introduced.<abbr title="Tuesday, October 19, 2010 at 12:27pm" class="timestamp">17 hours ago</abbr> · <button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" type="submit" name="unlike_comment_id[1927412]" value="1927412" title="Unlike this comment">UnlikeLike</button> · 6 peopleLoading... · <label class="uiLinkButton stat_elem"><input name="flag_comment_id[1927412]" value="Flag" type="submit"></label>
  • <label class="deleteAction stat_elem UIImageBlock_Ext uiCloseButton"><input title="Remove" name="delete[1927765]" type="submit"></label>Steve I would like to second that request please. Revert back to affiliate friendly terms please. Regards<abbr title="Tuesday, October 19, 2010 at 1:09pm" class="timestamp">16 hours ago</abbr> · <button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" type="submit" name="like_comment_id[1927765]" value="1927765" title="Like this comment">LikeUnlike</button> · 2 peopleLoading...
  • Marius This is just to avoid social media know about these problems.. not good, the solution would be to revert to old T&C<abbr title="Tuesday, October 19, 2010 at 1:33pm" class="timestamp">15 hours ago</abbr> · <button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" type="submit" name="unlike_comment_id[1927948]" value="1927948" title="Unlike this comment">UnlikeLike</button> · 3 peopleLoading... · <label class="uiLinkButton stat_elem"><input name="flag_comment_id[1927948]" value="Flag" type="submit"></label>
  • Andrea Hello to all of you dear bewinners!
    I think it would be desirable to maintain the same commissions for the old clients, instead of reducing them of 20%. In fact, the already acquired clients will allow you to earn the same amounts as before,... whereas we would earn just the 5%.
    In my opinion, maintaining the same conditions could be the only solution to satisfy everybody.See More
    <abbr title="Tuesday, October 19, 2010 at 1:53pm" class="timestamp">15 hours ago</abbr> · <button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" type="submit" name="like_comment_id[1928131]" value="1928131" title="Like this comment">LikeUnlike</button> · 1 personFabio this. · <label class="uiLinkButton stat_elem"><input name="flag_comment_id[1928131]" value="Flag" type="submit"></label>
  • <label class="deleteAction stat_elem UIImageBlock_Ext uiCloseButton"><input title="Remove" name="delete[1929028]" type="submit"></label>Steve ‎@ Andrea - what do you mean? For sure the retroactive claus must be stopped. That is of course so the do not breach the 1000s of contracts they had. But then you have to stop the qouta, and reduced rate of 5%. With those in play the whole affiliate landscape will change. It is a huge threat to our livelyhoods. It must be stopped at all costs.<abbr title="Tuesday, October 19, 2010 at 3:41pm" class="timestamp">13 hours ago</abbr> · <button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" type="submit" name="like_comment_id[1929028]" value="1929028" title="Like this comment">LikeUnlike</button> · 2 peopleLoading...
  • Bernhard What`s to discuss ? You really didn`t get what this outrage is about by now ? You changed the rules during the game, you take away our customers after 3 years and you do so retroactively, for me that is the biggest hurdle by far !<abbr title="Tuesday, October 19, 2010 at 4:50pm" class="timestamp">12 hours ago</abbr> · <button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" type="submit" name="like_comment_id[1929682]" value="1929682" title="Like this comment">LikeUnlike</button> · 3 people3 people like this. · <label class="uiLinkButton stat_elem"><input name="flag_comment_id[1929682]" value="Flag" type="submit"></label>
  • Jens Bewinners : Theifs..Time to remove all your links and banners guys.. Im redirecting all links from post to bet365, expekt, unibet or betsafe...damn it feels good<abbr title="Tuesday, October 19, 2010 at 7:27pm" class="timestamp">9 hours ago</abbr> · <button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" type="submit" name="like_comment_id[1930792]" value="1930792" title="Like this comment">LikeUnlike</button> · 1 personEmil likes this. · <label class="uiLinkButton stat_elem"><input name="flag_comment_id[1930792]" value="Flag" type="submit"></label>
  • bewinners.com Aleksandar and Steve: Please understand that we cannot and will not cancel the new terms. We have also received a lot of positive feedback from many affiliates. It is a performance based program considering all labels of the bwin group (be...sides sajoo.fr) that supports the affiliates and us to be successful. We are open for your questions and concerns and ready to answer them, but we would ask you to wait until the first earning calculation is done on November 6th in order to judge the effects of the new t&c.
    Marius: We opened a discussion forum to discuss your concerns in a well structered way. As we are doing this here on Facebook, we are obviously using social media for it.
    Andrea: Thanks for your comment, please create a post about it in the discussions threat.
    Bernhard, Steve: The bewinners t&c shall be valid for former and new affiliates in order to treat everybody equal. The 5% cannot threat your lifelyhood as only 5% of players are still active after 3 years. bewinners on purpose reduces to 5% in order to push you to not rely on old players. We challenge ourselves every day and we want you to do the same. And if you do so, our automated program based on the number of NPA you bring, gives you the opportunity to earn much better than ever before at bwin.
    Jens: It's everybody's individual decision with whom he wants to cooperate- we provide our affiliates, and most of you are our affiliates, with the best brand in the industry, the new tool that allows you to really control and steer your business in the best possible way.See More
    <abbr title="Wednesday, October 20, 2010 at 4:53am" class="timestamp">36 minutes ago</abbr> · <button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" type="submit" name="like_comment_id[1934197]" value="1934197" title="Like this comment">LikeUnlike</button> · <label class="uiLinkButton stat_elem"><input name="flag_comment_id[1934197]" value="Flag" type="submit"></label>
  • Bernhard From Oct 1 until Oct 3, the only timeframe where it was possible to compare "commission before" and "commission after", mine was down 26% - now not even that would threaten my ""lifelyhood", this is a matter of principle also. everybody at ...bwin keeps going on how few players are left after 3 years, yet you insist on that clause, why ??
    Also, you wrote " in order to push you to not rely on old players" - uuuhhm, which is it ? How could we rely on old players if there are only 5% left ???See More
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[grem]

I guess I will not have reviews written for their casino

[universal4]

I am displeased with the attitude they have taken, but the last thing I will do is discuss their terms at their facebook page.

I am against their terms and they have proven once again that if the terms are not small affiliate friendly , they are NOT affiliate friendly.

I will state that here, at the GIA, GAP, APCW, AGD and any other gambling affiliate forum, but I will NOT give their facebook page more traffic or content to state the way I feel.

Rick
Universal4

[Nandakishore]

I don't want to waste my team trying to argue with these people. I will not promote them anymore, no matter what they decide to do. I don't think they will ever change their mentality. However, I must admit that it is no problem for me to get out because I was just going to push their promotion when they came out with their predatory terms. But it is not easy for those who make good business with them. I wish for them some positive results coming out of all the negotiations going on.