Orthodox Christmas

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Originally Posted by Slawete

It's unbelievable...

The way some people like DaftDog push its belief in science, reminds me of religious bigots. It's very dangerous to push the belief that we are only bodies, because this way we associate the human being with a robot.

In the end, the spirit is who makes the difference, including among scientists.

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So, trying to defend science and logic makes me like a religious bigot? I guess you just can't stand having your beliefs challenged.

At the end of the day you cannot prove the existence of a "spirit" or a "spirit world". Your beliefs are just "woo woo". Show me one ounce of proof that this fantastical world exists, and I'll run down the main street of my town naked.

You have the right to believe whatever crazy ideas you want, and I have the right to call you out on those ideas. If that makes me a bigot then so be it.

I also never ever pushed the belief that we are only bodies, similar to robots. We are among creatures of planet Earth, that have evolved over billions of years to what we are today, this can be proven by science. We are survivors of billions of trillions of successful generations of all the life forms that came before us.

If nuclear war had to kill all humans on Earth today, some life, somewhere, would survive this catastrophe and continue to procreate and evolve. Would these creatures, who survive this ordeal, have a spirit world that would supposedly protect and interact with them too?

Proofs, proofs, proofs.

Hey Mom and Dad I need proofs I'm your son. Hey son, just look in the mirror, any proof is there. Yeah, the way I look makes me believe I'm your son, but I prefer a scientific approach as laboratory tests. Give me facts, verifiable facts.

If you will not treat it as joke and will insist too much on this subjects, your parents will feel offended.

Every science starts from assumptions, concepts, ideas. They can't be proven in lab conditions and always will stay to be hypothetical.

You aren't a bigot DaftDog. I was saying you remind me of a religious bigot, with the hope to remind you that a coin has two faces.

Now, what about the spirituality.

As affiliates, many of us are coding. Every programmer gets the feeling that everything in this world is based on code. The languages we speak and every word is a code decrypted by our ears. Even the Bible says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Just replace Word with Code and read it again.

When I'm talking about spirituality or when I say I believe in God, what I'm thinking of is that there is a code behind all and that code has an author, and that code is interactive. Please note, I grew up in a family that always tried to stay off the church and so called believers.

The best way to understand my point is to read the following example.

Let's use in this example the PHP library and the author of first two versions Rasmus Lerdorf.

One day Rasmus meets an affiliate in gambling niche. The guy tells him how successful he is. He owns many profitable websites, most of them built on WordPress. The guy continues telling that he started with learning WP, but later he needed more customization and learning PHP was the key to make his websites stand out in the crowd. After many years using PHP I'm so skillful that there is nothing I could not know about PHP, I could even work as a professional PHP programmer.

At some point Rasmus says "sorry I didn't introduce myself, I'm Rasmus Lerdorf".

The guy also introduce himself and tells "Hey Rasmus, if you know a little of WordPress I could help you to build profitable sites. I could even teach you some PHP, since WordPress is built on it."

Rasmus: Are you sure you know all about PHP?
Guy: Believe me, there is no function I could not know about and I'm really proud of it as I learned it on my own.

Another day, Rasmus meets another guy. While discussing the guy mentioned about his tries in the past to learn some programming on his own, including PHP, but he never managed to reach the amateur level at least. After introducing themselves, the guy recalled the name Lerdorf. Being surprised by the encounter, he tells Rasmus: "While learning PHP I was curious to know who are the authors of the library, this is where I know your name from. I really appreciate people like you. Your work is amazing. So many sites were built on PHP and so many people make a living now online."

You see, the code itself won't give answers about its authors and its purpose. The scientific part of us comes to decrypt the code, the laws of nature. The spiritual part of us is to find who built all this and what for.

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Originally Posted by DaftDog

So, trying to defend science and logic makes me like a religious bigot? I guess you just can't stand having your beliefs challenged.

At the end of the day you cannot prove the existence of a "spirit" or a "spirit world". Your beliefs are just "woo woo". Show me one ounce of proof that this fantastical world exists, and I'll run down the main street of my town naked.

You have the right to believe whatever crazy ideas you want, and I have the right to call you out on those ideas. If that makes me a bigot then so be it.

I also never ever pushed the belief that we are only bodies, similar to robots. We are among creatures of planet Earth, that have evolved over billions of years to what we are today, this can be proven by science. We are survivors of billions of trillions of successful generations of all the life forms that came before us.

If nuclear war had to kill all humans on Earth today, some life, somewhere, would survive this catastrophe and continue to procreate and evolve. Would these creatures, who survive this ordeal, have a spirit world that would supposedly protect and interact with them too?

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You are so boring really. As all bigot atheists. No imagination, just fear. I take it personally because, when I was a young, I was the same boring idiot.

The point of belief in god is that it is not proven in the first place. That is the whole point. It is called a leap of faith. You either jump and you get it or you are trying to catch your own tail.

When I started there were most of people who told me it is impossible to make money online. Then there were people, who were telling me that it is impossible to make money with BTC. Then there were people who told me, that it is impossible to get a normal woman that does in bed what I want and knows when to shut up. There were people who told me, that it is impossible just to buy a ticket and live on the other part of the world. All of those people came with pretty sophisticated rational explanation why. No one from those people ever tried a proof of contradiction (since you are the logical thinker, maybe you know proof of contradiction is one of basic proofs of math, where the starting point is what we do not believe).

But the evergreen are people like you who keep expressing their own inner insecurities and they keep saying "when I can not prove something, it means, it does not exist".

With god, it is really easy. It is possible just to play a mental game. We are all born atheists nowadays, regardless whether our family was openly atheistic or whether they just went to do the empty rituals. The mental game is just to overcome our own pride and being able to start playing a game: How would be my life, if I was believer? For me this worked. The game gradually started to be my life, the leap of faith was overjumped. I can do whatever fukc I want, I am guided by god, life is very interesting, until I am alive and my last LSD trip showed me the underworld where it apparently is much more fun than here with postmodern brainwashed people.

Btw, what I really hate in this thread disruption is, that OP asked genuinely who is celebrating the Christmas. Probably it is something sacred for him and it should be respected. Yet nearly always nowadays under such debates comes some wiseass who must say that god is for idiots or something like that.

Again regardless whether god exists or not, there is another thing that can not be proven, but that makes sense and it is "respect". I do not care about Christmas, I hate it as I wrote it here, but that does not mean that I want to offend anyone who can feel something through it. One of my employees feels god when he is playing soccer. My wife loves to bow at Shintoist churhes and I love to go there with her. The path to everyone's peace starts at the point, where we are able to stop sh1tting into the meal of other people.

So I am sorry for my rants in this thread. I do it because I really hare when someone is hurting feelings of others with ignorance.

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Originally Posted by Sherlock

Btw, what I really hate in this thread disruption is, that OP asked genuinely who is celebrating the Christmas. Probably it is something sacred for him and it should be respected. Yet nearly always nowadays under such debates comes some wiseass who must say that god is for idiots or something like that.

Again regardless whether god exists or not, there is another thing that can not be proven, but that makes sense and it is "respect". I do not care about Christmas, I hate it as I wrote it here, but that does not mean that I want to offend anyone who can feel something through it. One of my employees feels god when he is playing soccer. My wife loves to bow at Shintoist churhes and I love to go there with her. The path to everyone's peace starts at the point, where we are able to stop sh1tting into the meal of other people.

So I am sorry for my rants in this thread. I do it because I really hare when someone is hurting feelings of others with ignorance.

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I have not attacked anyone or called people derogatory names, I have challenged ideas and if you find that offensive or disrespectful that is your choice. I thought we were having a discussion but if you do not have anything to add except to insult me then that is on you to, and it just goes to show your true character.

We are all adults here and if your feelings are hurt by me challenging your ideas all I can say is that you don't venture out into the real world, but rather stay in the safe confines of your cotton wool wrapped one.

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Originally Posted by Slawete

Proofs, proofs, proofs.

Every science starts from assumptions, concepts, ideas. They can't be proven in lab conditions and always will stay to be hypothetical.

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I would rather say "Every science starts from assumptions, concepts, ideas. They can't ALL be proven in lab conditions and SOME will stay hypothetical."

Einsteins theories included mention of gravity waves that have only recently been verified. He had faith in his theory for sure, but what if his theory had been proven to be false? You see why faith alone is not a reliable means to the truth.

There is nothing wrong about having ideas about something, but that is all they are until they are verified. I don't know about you, but I prefer to hold beliefs that are verifiable.

If I was in a group of people that saw a bright light moving around the sky some would maybe say it's an alien space craft, others may say it is the hand of a god. I would rather admit that I don't know what it is and wait for further investigation to maybe reveal the truth of what it actually was.