Paddy Power Account - Suspended

[damage83]

Had this message when trying to log in today. Guess this is another company trying to screw people over probably due to being a quiet few months for us. This is really getting out of hand now. Too many programmes are getting away with this. What are us smaller affiliates supposed to do?

[crowngate]

Same thing happened to me yesterday:

Your Affiliate account has been suspended due to the lack of activity over the last 6 months. Under the terms of our Affiliate agreement, Paddy Power Betfair has the right to terminate this agreement, if you do not deliver at least one new customer in a given calendar month. We flagged this situation with your account with you by email (sent to the email address included in your account) on the 2nd of August, 2017. Since we did not get any response on our email, we have proceeded with suspending your account.

Kind regards,
Affiliate Team


They don't do well for me and the pool of "partners" I work with is one more down.

[damage83]

Well at least you have an explanation lol. Nothing has been sent to me at all. To be fair Paddy are useless to me anyway but it makes me think who else could be next because it has been a tough year across all of my affiliates. Not good at all.

[crowngate]

Only got the explanation after I couldn't log in and emailed them!

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[-Shay-]

Interesting...

I looked at my stats with them and over the past few months, conversions have dropped drastically. Noteworthy is that the quality of my traffic has not changed in any way that I can see.

[damage83]

This is the 3rd affiliate in last 2 months that has done this to me now. Seems revenue share means nothing these days.

[Betivity]

That really sucks, I'm sorry to hear that. It's totally unfair from an affiliate's standpoint and I'm not seeing their justification for doing so. Anybody know why they are doing this?

This is the 3rd affiliate in last 2 months that has done this to me now. Seems revenue share means nothing these days.

Which are the other 2 who have done this?

[damage83]

Ladbrokes, were one plus marathon bet. Have also had threats from others that I wont yet name and also had commission dropped by sky bet and 10bet affiliates. For us it has been a tough few months as there have been a few set backs however these affiliates don't seem to give a damn. The moment they get a chance to drop you they will. It is a joke of an industry at the moment. Not everyone can convert as well as others and the smaller affiliates are the ones that seem to be suffering the most.

By the way I did actually get a reply this morning from paddy and they said they emailed on the 2nd of august with a warning which I know is a complete lie.

[RacingJim]

I agree it's tough times at the moment. A lot of previously half decent programs have gone downhill over the last 1-2 years, though I must say the majority of them were never the best payers to start with - they were the lower/medium programs at best.

[RacingJim]

It's very worrying to know that years of hard work could do down the crapper with a couple of bad months. That's not a nice feeling to have in any business where you think you have a partnership with someone.

[-Shay-]

Anyone's stats update for yesterday's activity at Paddy? I'm not showing anything and generally the stats are updated about 2 hours ago.

[damage83]

To be fair the one I have lost are not really any loss to me but it is just worrying that it seems they can keep getting away with this. Only a matter of time before one of my better payers do the same. Not good.

[RacingJim]

Anyone's stats update for yesterday's activity at Paddy? I'm not showing anything and generally the stats are updated about 2 hours ago.

Yep same here, all 0s not yet updated.

[baldidiot]

If you think about it, this kind of behaviour is just going to come to back and bite them in the ass in the long run. By making it harder for smaller affs it's favouring the big groups who could well pick up a bigger share of the accounts. And the bigger accounts get paid at higher percentages so it's just going to end up costing them more.

[RacingJim]

If you think about it, this kind of behaviour is just going to come to back and bite them in the ass in the long run. By making it harder for smaller affs it's favouring the big groups who could well pick up a bigger share of the accounts. And the bigger accounts get paid at higher percentages so it's just going to end up costing them more.

Yeh I think they're looking at it maybe that they only want to work with the big-ish affiliates.

e.g. rather than pay:
Small Affiliate A, B, C, D E F etc £100 each
Pay Big Affiliate A: £5000
Big Affiliate B: £10,000

It's clear they are looking at it from an administration saving point of view, running round after thousands of small affiliates is obviously annoying to some of these companies.

What it completely fails to see though is that to a man, probably all the big affiliates at one point started out as small affiliates. It's a bit like fishing for whales, you have to catch lots of small fish to snare a whale. Oddschecker at one point was some small bloke starting a firm with a good idea, as are most the big online entities. Shut them off at source and you've just dropped a clanger.

[MannyBetting]

Yeh I think they're looking at it maybe that they only want to work with the big-ish affiliates.

e.g. rather than pay:
Small Affiliate A, B, C, D E F etc £100 each
Pay Big Affiliate A: £5000
Big Affiliate B: £10,000

It's clear they are looking at it from an administration saving point of view, running round after thousands of small affiliates is obviously annoying to some of these companies.

What it completely fails to see though is that to a man, probably all the big affiliates at one point started out as small affiliates. It's a bit like fishing for whales, you have to catch lots of small fish to snare a whale. Oddschecker at one point was some small bloke starting a firm with a good idea, as are most the big online entities. Shut them off at source and you've just dropped a clanger.

I'm with you to a point there, but what running around do the likes of Paddy actually do? They never answer their e-mails, the never comminicate on a one to one basis. Their affiliate backend and payment system is automated. So all they actually do is include more people on a bulk sending list. Where's the administrative overhead in that? Or maybe I'm missing something.

[RacingJim]

I'm with you to a point there, but what running around do the likes of Paddy actually do? They never answer their e-mails, the never comminicate on a one to one basis. Their affiliate backend and payment system is automated. So all they actually do is include more people on a bulk sending list. Where's the administrative overhead in that? Or maybe I'm missing something.

Yeh I'm just looking at it from their point of view, I certainly don't think they are correct in being like this.

I can see admin maybe in terms of:
- Sending lots of small payments via different methods, checking them off against affiliate accounts, marking as paid etc
- Dealing with small affiliate queries e.g. "I didn't get my £100 this month" type stuff, 'do you have banners for offer X in Size Y'
- Checking sites are complying with the rules, i.e. rules of the affiliate program and wider legislation e.g. UK gambling/advertising rules

It's all part and parcel of it and I don't see how it would take up loads of staff or time if organised and done correctly, but some companies just seem to have contempt for it all, Paddy are one of them. Their attitude in my comms to them has been the most shocking bar Bet Victor.

[damage83]

I personally do not think it is anything to do with admin. Its more money shaving I think. I think most of them begrudge paying out commissions to small affiliates on people they have referred in the past when they are not bringing on many more new ones. Regardless it is still very wrong and there is no way I can see their point of view what so ever. They promised lifetime commission on all players referred as did so many others but now are getting accounts closed on shady technicalities so they can pocket the commission that you should be earning. It is disgraceful behaviour.

[crowngate]

I personally do not think it is anything to do with admin. Its more money shaving I think. I think most of them begrudge paying out commissions to small affiliates on people they have referred in the past when they are not bringing on many more new ones. Regardless it is still very wrong and there is no way I can see their point of view what so ever. They promised lifetime commission on all players referred as did so many others but now are getting accounts closed on shady technicalities so they can pocket the commission that you should be earning. It is disgraceful behaviour.

That is exactly what is happening, betvictor did the same to me, skybet have done the same with their quota.It's theft and they know they can get away with it.

Upper management have had a meeting and looked at ways to cut costs.





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[damage83]

Sky Bet started the ball rolling when they added quotas. No one did anything about it and now many more programmes are following suit. The problem for the smaller affiliate is that we are unlikely to get much backing from the large affiliates. The less affiliates there are the more market share they have which is great for them but not great for the rest.