Ask Me Anything SEO Related - Ranked Hundreds of Sites

[Juicer]

Hello everyone, I've been doing affiliate marketing via SEO for the past 7 years, we've ranked probably close to a thousand of our client sites in the last 7 years, and I ranked tens of my own affiliate sites, just recently decided to shift my efforts to casino affiliate and thought to create this thread to share some knowledge.

I own a 300+ PBN site network, have experience with all types of links, you name it - PBNs, guest posts, 301s, diversity links, link insertions, an everything from the whitest of white hat links to the blackest pits of hell. Have been doing all sorts of A/B tests when it comes to links for the past couple of years.

You can ask me anything about SEO related on this thread.

[PROFRBcom]

My first question would be:

What can you show us that prove that you know what you are talking about. Taking your word for it is not something many of the posters here will do for a brand new poster with no linked sites, SEO agency listed, etc. In other words, show us something you ranked, give us an idea how, etc.

[cantona07]

Lets see some case studies then bud!

[Malikbhai]

I own a 300+ PBN site network...

LOL.

Open-and-shut case then.

[Juicer]

My first question would be:

What can you show us that prove that you know what you are talking about. Taking your word for it is not something many of the posters here will do for a brand new poster with no linked sites, SEO agency listed, etc. In other words, show us something you ranked, give us an idea how, etc.

Lets see some case studies then bud!

I get where both of you are coming from, obviously I won't be sharing my money sites (I don't get why some people have their money sites or any sites in their profiles, it's silly, it's not 1 or 2 times I was able to reverse engineer all of their stuff only by them having their secondary casino site in their profile, there's literally 0 benefit in doing so) or major research finds - something that took a lot of time and resources, but I'll see what can be shared this week and post here.

LOL.

Open-and-shut case then.

What?


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Guys, this thread is not to boost myself as some sort of guru or sell you some ****, I want nothing in return, for me to jepordize my own stuff only to prove something would be silly, I can answer your questions about SEO, especially when it comes to PBNs

[DanHorvat]

You might just find out that gambling is a bit more competitive than your average niche, and people got hellish skills and budgets to match.

We're not jeopardizing our websites by publicly revealing the URLs - it is you who apparently needs to keep hiding.

[Sherlock]

[PROFRBcom]

^^ First time I've seen Sherlock's new poetry. Amazing, like everything else he posts

[JohnA]

I think maybe you wanted to post in the link seller section instead?

[Juicer]

Alright a share that I promised, here are the results of testing the time it takes for the link juice to pass to a target site (no other conditions that could change the rankings of the target site within that time, or very minimal). Hundreds of different PBNs and different target sites:


Testing this for many years Google is continuing to increase the time link juice passes to the site, on top of that based on certain conditions of the target site and the site linking to it it adds different variables, such as decreasing the rankings of the target site for an x amount of time, or increasing the rankings for an x amount of time and then dropping it lower to where it was before (if the link is toxic). You can get yourself into some serious trouble if you can't identify toxic sites/links (altho there aren't that many of them).

The time-frame where google can do anything to the target site (increase then drop it, drop it then increase etc) is 10 weeks (even tho they say it's 2 months in their patents, maybe they increased it?) after 10 weeks you can see the real link value (this is based on hundreds of tests).

When it comes to seeing the link juice, based on the target site and site linking to it you can see the first boost after a few days or 2 months, usually it's 2 months, then the second boost from that same link comes in about 6-8months.


For the references, I first found out that it takes 10 weeks from tests and then found patent reiterating it, I haven't noted the specific patent, but have a list of the ones that I've read (a lot of them are very old) it's somewhere in there if you have the time and the will. They have some gems in there as well.

websites for lookup:
patents.google.com
patft1.uspto.gov

Patent names:

Document scoring based on document inception date

Document scoring based on DOCUMENT CONTENT UPDATE

Document scoring based on LINK-BASED CRITERIA

Document scoring based on traffic associated with a document

Document scoring based on query analysis

Changing a rank of document by applying a rank transition function

Personalization of web search results using term, category, and link-based user profiles

Determining quality of linked documents

Determining a quality measure for a resource

Reverse engineering circumvention of spam detection algorithms

Modifying search results based on dismissal action associated with one or more of the search results

Classifying sites as low quality sites

Site quality score

Ranking content using content and content authors

Customization of search results for search queries received from third party sites

Query augmentation

Apparatus and method for detecting spam

Presenting search result information

Information retrieval system for archiving multiple document versions

Feed upload for search entity based content selection

Methods and apparatus for ranking documents

Refining search results

Preferred sites

Obtaining authoritative search results

Ranking search results

Detecting spam related and biased contexts for programmable search engines

Detecting spam search results for context processed search queries

Selecting score improvements

Method for Detecting Link Spam in Hyperlinked Databases

Scoring links in a document

Systems and methods for modifying the order of links presented in a document

Spam detection for user-generated multimedia items based on keyword stuffing

Spam detection for user-generated multimedia items based on concept clustering

Spam detection for user-generated multimedia items based on appearance in popular queries

Ranking of documents based on analysis of related documents

Anchor tag indexing in a web crawler system

Systems and methods for weighting a search query result

Structured metadata extraction

Methods and systems for extracting information from text

Providing search results based on sorted properties

Search result ranking and presentation

Methods and systems for improving search rankings using advertising data

Systems and methods for improved searching

Ranking based on reference contexts

Personalizing anchor text scores in a search engine

Prediction of human ratings or rankings of information retrieval quality

Deriving and using document and site quality signals from search query streams

Ranking blog documents

Providing blog posts relevant to search results

Detecting click spam

Bifurcated document relevance scoring

Phrase extraction using subphrase scoring

Modifying search result ranking based on populations

Time based ranking

Updating search engine document index based on calculated age of changed portions in a document

Ranking search results based on similar queries

System and method of providing information based on street address

Modifying scoring data based on historical changes

Modifying ranking data based on document changes

Ranking search results based on anchors

Temporal-based score adjustments

Identifying topical entities

Query modification

Real time map spam detection

Freshness based ranking

Evaluating quality based on neighbor features

Producing a ranking for pages using distances in a web-link graph

System and method for ranking search results using click distance

Framework for evaluating web search scoring functions

Accentuating search results

Website quality signal generation

Rank-adjusted content items

I hope some people will find value in this.

[FictionNet]

I would guess that lots of members' listed profile site isn't their main money-maker. Mine certainly isn't.

[Juicer]

I would guess that lots of members' listed profile site isn't their main money-maker. Mine certainly isn't.

That's the thing, knowing one site it's possible to find other (main) sites in a lot of cases.

[Former Member 14]

Like a lot of the old-timers here, I've been is this gig for 20 years, and I'm yet to see anyone; not one single soul, freshly arrive at an aff forum posting similar claims, who hasn't got a hidden agenda for posting. You might be that one in a zillion guy, but no one knows you.

Anyone who was genuine, would post proof to their claims straight up. Of course they all have reason for not doing so

[Juicer]

Like a lot of the old-timers here, I've been is this gig for 20 years, and I'm yet to see anyone; not one single soul, freshly arrive at an aff forum posting similar claims, who hasn't got a hidden agenda for posting. You might be that one in a zillion guy, but no one knows you.

Anyone who was genuine, would post proof to their claims straight up. Of course they all have reason for not doing so

Hey mate, I made a good share above of couple of posts, it seems like it took a few days to get that post approved, would be interested in hearing your opinion as an old timer.

[wonderpunter]

And from the January update what was your result form that? did you gain or Drop? Im curious to see if old school techniques are still working or as many a time i have seen started to go back on the builders

[Juicer]

And from the January update what was your result form that? did you gain or Drop? Im curious to see if old school techniques are still working or as many a time i have seen started to go back on the builders

Do you mean PBN tests, or money sites? In ether case not seeing any impacts by any updates since the YMYL update, and that was for a health site, due to reasons unrelated to links.

So from owning close to 500 PBNs (using links only on my own sites) in the last 7 years (a lot of them sold off along with projects etc) I lost less than 20. They worked, are working and will work for the for foreseeable future, provided you take all the necessary precautions and know what you're doing.

[nfint12]

What do you do to prevent competitors finding and reporting your pbn domains? I've used botblockers (wp plugins) but do not think they are perfect.

[Juicer]

What do you do to prevent competitors finding and reporting your pbn domains? I've used botblockers (wp plugins) but do not think they are perfect.

"Location: Mountain View"

Nice try google...

But for real, you can make your PBNs look like real sites. I won't elaborate on this but even if they don't look like real sites and get reported, the likely hood of getting a manual review is close to 0.

[affsbay]

Welcome Juicer! I can see how much effort have you put in this post so I think you are not fooling around here. I have SEO XP for 12 years now and what I can say is that you need do to a lot of analytic research to know what's working and what's not. So I think it's a good idea to share your data whit others and vice versa.

[Sherlock]

since it is AMA..
are you author of this? hxxps://diggitymarketing.com/11-pbn-experiments/
Same structure, terms like toxic links, same pictures of SERP that say literally nothing etc.