OK - Who is'nt working with CWC Affiliates?

[AE-Martyn]

Hi all, firstly I wanted to find out who is not currently working with CWC Affiliates?

Secondly, I would like to see what it would take for you to work with us and push our hot casinos?

I'd like to invite you to contact me to discuss possible avenues we can work on in order to make a success of our partnership.

Please drop me a PM, an email or drop a note below and lets work this out and make an obscene amount of cash.

I hope to hear from you soon.

Cheers,

[Renee]

Hi all, firstly I wanted to find out who is not currently working with CWC Affiliates?

Secondly, I would like to see what it would take for you to work with us and push our hot casinos?

I'd like to invite you to contact me to discuss possible avenues we can work on in order to make a success of our partnership.

Please drop me a PM, an email or drop a note below and lets work this out and make an obscene amount of cash.

I hope to hear from you soon.

Cheers,

I'd work with you if you did a nudie run on film.

[pdjoe]

Quiet on the set "Take 1"

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[Anthony-Coral]

What's the problem Martyn?

Guess it's a little too cold in this studio, right?

[Renee]

LOL

He seems to have grown some boobs too...

[Anthony-Coral]

He's got 'Moobs'.

He probably has to wear a 'Man-zier' to support them

[Engineer]

I've been working with CWC for a few years -- they are one of the best.

[Anthony-Coral]

Thanks Engineer, I hoped it wouldn't be long for someone to spot the connection!

[AE-Martyn]

Thanks all for your valued input, well Engineers anyways!

To be fair we are one of the breast programs about, so come along and join the fun (bags).

[Jinnia]

I've been promoting CWC for years, on index page of each site, and
never made enough to mention, around $16 now ?

So they came off the index page(s) long ago.


(Edited: Still have a small banner on index page of one site)

[Renee]

Might have something to do with it being the breast program and not the best

Rewards Affiliates is the best

[AE-Martyn]

Renee's a spammer.

[Renee]

Renee's a spammer.

It's not spam if people are interested in it :P

And here it comes....

Martyn has been one of the guys I first began chatting to when I started with Rewards Affs and from what I've seen from my side of the fence, is a great aff manager. I'm sure you wont be disappointed working with him

[AE-Martyn]

Martyn has been one of the guys I first began chatting to when I started with Rewards Affs and from what I've seen from my side of the fence, is a great aff manager. I'm sure you wont be disappointed working with him

Quit spammy Renee (thanks)

[AE-Martyn]

I've been promoting CWC for years, on index page of each site, and
never made enough to mention, around $16 now ?

So they came off the index page(s) long ago.


(Edited: Still have a small banner on index page of one site)

I hear your cry for help. If you are still willing to give us a try I may have an idea to help you achieve your preferred level of income.

Get in touch and we'll discuss more.

Cheers,

[TheGooner]

Hi all, firstly I wanted to find out who is not currently working with CWC Affiliates?

Secondly, I would like to see what it would take for you to work with us and push our hot casinos?

Martyn,

You'll know that we are currently working with CWC and after a couple of months I'm pleased to say that we see depositors and profits !


But ... CWC needs to vastly improve the level of reporting available online.

I can't see :
- the number of new players this month,
- the total number of actives this month,
- the profit/loss, country or currency of players by player ...

Or anything regarding the demographics of the games being played.

We can't really monitor our players, or improve our hit rate or conversion rates, because there is little managment information provided.

While I understand that you'd like to attract new affiliates, delivering a better MIS package online might be a cost effective way of growing that profit per existing affiliate?!

[AE-Martyn]

Martyn,

You'll know that we are currently working with CWC and after a couple of months I'm pleased to say that we see depositors and profits !

Good to see and hear Mr Gooner sir.

But ... CWC needs to vastly improve the level of reporting available online.

I can't see :
- the number of new players this month,
- the total number of actives this month,
- the profit/loss, country or currency of players by player ...

Or anything regarding the demographics of the games being played.

We can't really monitor our players, or improve our hit rate or conversion rates, because there is little managment information provided.

This is exactly the type of feedback we need to hear, and although we already know that our backend isn'y as sparkley as others we are working at improving it and providing you with better tools going forward. I believe our offerings in terms of casinos and player support helps make up any loses in the admin (in the short term).

On what you are saying you cant see, I will clear this up below...

- the number of new players this month,
This is indicated by Signups and also Depositors.
- the total number of actives this month,
I think you mean how many times a player jumped in the casino to do a bit, this is shown under the unique sessions column in the report breakdown.
- the profit/loss, country or currency of players by player
The profit and loss is recorded in a single column, Net Win. Although like Playtech backends it does not break it down as a Bets and Wins.

Game demographics would be a nice addition, I will see what can be done on this.

While I understand that you'd like to attract new affiliates, delivering a better MIS package online might be a cost effective way of growing that profit per existing affiliate?!

All part of the master plan. There will be a new release of the affiliate software coming up and there will be some changes. I hope that I can put your comments forward and we can act on them and get as many options as possible integrated. Obviously I will keep everyone updated on this but it will likely be in a later release.

Cheers Gooner.

[TheGooner]

no - no .. and err ... no?

On what you are saying you cant see, I will clear this up below...
- the number of new players this month,
This is indicated by Signups and also Depositors.

Not really.
Signups is a vastly inflated number of freebie players. eg. 38 for us so far.
Depositors is total depositors including old players.

What I want to see is the number of PLAYERS who deposited for the first time. How many of those signups converted?

I can see the value of initial deposits - but I'd like to know what number of deposits generated those to get a sense of initial deposit values - this will then allow me to pitch the onsite "sales" at the right level to maximise these players.

- the total number of actives this month
I think you mean how many times a player jumped in the casino to do a bit, this is shown under the unique sessions column in the report breakdown.

No.
I want to know how many different players are playing for money this month.
It might be a number close to "Depositors", but it will also include people who have not needed to deposit because they had a balance from previous times.

Again, while profits may jump up and down, the raw number of players who are playing for money (aka Actives) gives me a metric that can be used and measured for retention purposes, and also to see growth.

An account that loses money for a month, but that has (say) 100+ active players is an account that I wiull continue to promote. If it has only (say) 1-2 because people stop playing quickly then I would review the program and also my sales patter.
(somehow it would mean we are not meeting the players expectations)

- the profit/loss, country or currency of players by player
The profit and loss is recorded in a single column, Net Win. Although like Playtech backends it does not break it down as a Bets and Wins.

No. (again)
BY Player please.
If I see a net number of ZERO or around zero, that tells me nothing of value.
IF I can see this by player, or by country or origin, or by currency of deposit, then I learn much more about the player base that I'm sending you.

DO I have minimal activity? Or several winners and losers.
Are US players converting well? Or do Canadians do better? Or Brits? Or Aussies? Or men? Or women? (etc) (etc).

Telling me a number like total profit = $500 tells me almost nothing about the player base.

I acknowledge that I'll want to know total profit at some stage - but I need player level information to breakdown the totals and get a REAL picture of player activity.

[AE-Martyn]

Did I really get none out of 3 right? D'oh, back to skool 4 me!

A couple of points though...

• Signups do include both real money players and play money 'players'.
• Depositors is the total number of first time depositors in that month (FTD). These could be made up of players that signed up last month but if they made their first ever deposit this month, that is when they show, if they make a further one or more in the same month or the following months then this will not increment the Depositors value. This is the figure you are looking for, players who deposit for the first time.

I will find out if its possible to bring in further information on the players that you have sent through, I can see it being very helpful to you and other affiliates in your chosing of casinos, marketing tools etc if you can see who is converting. As for bringing in the Male and female bit, I think that might be unlikely. But either way I'll check it out and get back.

Give me time and I will fix what can be fixed and develop the weaker areas of our affiliate admin.

Thanks again.

no - no .. and err ... no?




Not really.
Signups is a vastly inflated number of freebie players. eg. 38 for us so far.
Depositors is total depositors including old players.

What I want to see is the number of PLAYERS who deposited for the first time. How many of those signups converted?

I can see the value of initial deposits - but I'd like to know what number of deposits generated those to get a sense of initial deposit values - this will then allow me to pitch the onsite "sales" at the right level to maximise these players.


No.
I want to know how many different players are playing for money this month.
It might be a number close to "Depositors", but it will also include people who have not needed to deposit because they had a balance from previous times.

Again, while profits may jump up and down, the raw number of players who are playing for money (aka Actives) gives me a metric that can be used and measured for retention purposes, and also to see growth.

An account that loses money for a month, but that has (say) 100+ active players is an account that I wiull continue to promote. If it has only (say) 1-2 because people stop playing quickly then I would review the program and also my sales patter.
(somehow it would mean we are not meeting the players expectations)


No. (again)
BY Player please.
If I see a net number of ZERO or around zero, that tells me nothing of value.
IF I can see this by player, or by country or origin, or by currency of deposit, then I learn much more about the player base that I'm sending you.

DO I have minimal activity? Or several winners and losers.
Are US players converting well? Or do Canadians do better? Or Brits? Or Aussies? Or men? Or women? (etc) (etc).

Telling me a number like total profit = $500 tells me almost nothing about the player base.

I acknowledge that I'll want to know total profit at some stage - but I need player level information to breakdown the totals and get a REAL picture of player activity.

[TheGooner]

Did I really get none out of 3 right? D'oh, back to skool 4 me!

A couple of points though...

• Signups do include both real money players and play money 'players'.
• Depositors is the total number of first time depositors in that month (FTD). These could be made up of players that signed up last month but if they made their first ever deposit this month, that is when they show, if they make a further one or more in the same month or the following months then this will not increment the Depositors value. This is the figure you are looking for, players who deposit for the first time.

Well it looks like you got 1 out of 3 mate - as that depositors IS one of the criteria I have been looking for : "initial depositors".
And your top attitude means 1 from 3 is a pass mark from me!


The other key criteria that I would urge to be delivered with urgency would be what I call "actives" or a longer descriptive of "players playing for real money this month".

With those two numbers I can monitor both the depth of the account (actives) and the growth rate of the account (initial depositors) and our monthly reviews can see if our marketting efforts and changes are successful.

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The other demographic data (country of origin, game type being played, player sex, deposit data - value and method) does not have to be available real time or even online - but if we can find it on a monthly basis then it's a great help.

Eg. You show me that Slots players are generating (say) $500 per player per month - compared to blackjack players (say) $25 - and I'll step up my efforts to send you slot players.

Or you show me that Canadian players prefer playing tri-card poker at your casino, and I'll make sure that my Canadian pages point out what a great tri-card poker game there is at CWC - and also make sure there is a free Tri-card poker demo available.

Or show me that a payment method is working well at CWC and I'll make sure that method is highlighted on your page, but also that you are highlighted on that payment method page too.

Basically - the more I know about the success stories at CWC - then the more I can mine that sector of players and send them to you.

IF the only thing I know is that I got $1000 total this month - then all I can do is pocket the cheque and shrug my shoulders. So getting this information really is a long term win-win.

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