William Hill more strict on NDC?

[Rowdie]

Today again new T&C on WH. I am not sure about this one, but I have a strong feeling you previously had to lead 1 NDC every 3 months. Now this: At any time where three (3) calendar months have passed without the Affiliate directing at least four WH Customers to the Sites

correct me if I am wrong

[Andy_thatsagoal]

Today again new T&C on WH. I am not sure about this one, but I have a strong feeling you previously had to lead 1 NDC every 3 months. Now this: At any time where three (3) calendar months have passed without the Affiliate directing at least four WH Customers to the Sites

correct me if I am wrong

Is that the term that results in your new players after that point only being on a tiny % rev share?

[nfint12]

They are months behind with payments and their affiliate support is terrible, I'd recommend removing them from your sites - plenty of better converting programs out there.

[Former Member 14]

I'd recommend removing them from your sites - plenty of better converting programs out there.

Agreed. WH only cares about Super Affiliates, same goes for 888, and alike. That's where some newbies lose out. They add these brands to their site, and get shafted by T&C quotas. Far better programs out there, who don't have quotas, and pay on time, every time.

[econfox]

Is this WH in the US?

[Rowdie]

I am in Europe. 6 months ago, when I asked WH if I can promote them in the US, they said "no".

Is this WH in the US?

[drifter8]

Get rid off WH as fast as you can.

We are not all Super Affiliates and none wants to waste his traffic just like that.

And if a payment comes to an execution, they might come and buy some operator before getting to bankrupt and the RS % can be cut from 5% to 1%.

Noone takes them seriously anymore.

[Andy_thatsagoal]

I see this a lot in recent months: get rid of xxx as soon as you can, don't promote xxx.

Literally, in the past few months there has been uproar about Paddy Power closing affiliate accounts, GVC brands' new T&Cs meaning people are unhappy with Coral and Ladbrokes, and now all this about William Hill.

Given that that is four 'big' sports betting brands to promote, which brands are you guys pushing most on your sites? I'd be interested to hear because other than bet365, people seem to have issues with almost every other brand.

[drifter8]

I am happy with bet365 and 1xbet .

From BG operators ( winbet.bg). But Bulgaria is not the most targeted country for more of you.

These were my 2 cents.

[ttt]

You are right. WH got more strict on this condition. The previous one was 3 players in 4 months as far as I remember. Can look it up, but there is no point doing that right now. As for the promoted brands, from the big ones, there is only Bet365 that remains. I am loosing thousands monthly for the Bwin condition update - the one where after 3 years all casino players go from 35% down to 5%

[Azureus]

I see this a lot in recent months: get rid of xxx as soon as you can, don't promote xxx.

Literally, in the past few months there has been uproar about Paddy Power closing affiliate accounts, GVC brands' new T&Cs meaning people are unhappy with Coral and Ladbrokes, and now all this about William Hill.

Given that that is four 'big' sports betting brands to promote, which brands are you guys pushing most on your sites? I'd be interested to hear because other than bet365, people seem to have issues with almost every other brand.

For me PaddyPower never performed/converted well. Ladbrokes were the most stupid and aggesive idiots that I ever experienced, I've never seen a more annoying person than their affiliate manager. Bet365 is of course nice but many people (incl. me) have closed accounts that do not allow further/new promotion.

Don't rely on any "big four" definition that comes from their PR or statistics, it doesn't reflect how they treat affiliates or players. It just says how they were able to grow and scale. WilliamHill was able to scale hugely in England but is it of any use to them now? No, they may as well be dead.

If you have enough traffic, just do split tests (A/B), many tools for that. Let it run for a few weeks or months and make a conclusion.

[Andy_thatsagoal]

For me PaddyPower never performed/converted well. Ladbrokes were the most stupid and aggesive idiots that I ever experienced, I've never seen a more annoying person than their affiliate manager. Bet365 is of course nice but many people (incl. me) have closed accounts that do not allow further/new promotion.

Don't rely on any "big four" definition that comes from their PR or statistics, it doesn't reflect how they treat affiliates or players. It just says how they were able to grow and scale. WilliamHill was able to scale hugely in England but is it of any use to them now? No, they may as well be dead.

If you have enough traffic, just do split tests (A/B), many tools for that. Let it run for a few weeks or months and make a conclusion.

That doesn't answer the question. I know who I promote and I'm happy with most of them. I was asking who other people rely on for revenue and so far the only answer Seema to be bet365 and 1xbet (which isn't UK facing)