Online Gambling - Eastern Europe

[PartnerJ]

Hey Folks, well wanted to test if we could chat about online gambling trends and development in the countries of eastern europe and russia.

First of all, eastern europe: ukraine, czech republic, poland, hungary, romania, bulgaria, russian federation (its european part) and a few other.

Well i know some casinos working with that area like www.x-casino.com, www.goldfishka.com and a few other. There are a few good sites really offering information for players to the russian speaking audience such as www.pokeroff.com, www.kappara.ru, webazart.ru and other. Well of course not a big portion of you does speak russian но те кто понимает о чем я...вполне возможно обсудить тенденции развития

i received a few emails about our capacity for the eastern european market (www.gamblex.net - that's our network) and basically in January President Putin declared the internet gambling to be illegal in Russia so some companies immediately started the move from .ru to .com but that's not the main important part

I know that eastern europe has really good potential for poker, as for slots - there are already too many...

for example in Ukrainian land-based gambling, there are 6000 operators with 3/4 of them not having license and appr 90% of the entire market are slot halls or slot machine roooms

so wanted so see if anyone here had interest in this geographic area and maybe we could speak about what it is going to be in future.

One more thing, there is a limited number of internet users since a big portion of the post soviet countries in the area are still developing or with agricultural economy mainly so...What do you think about gambling in Russia, Ukraine and other countries?

Poland is already a way ahead since they have a really nice live poker club with satellite tournaments for the EPT and a big number of sportsbetting operators already offers polish as their language for players

Looking forward to hearing from you folks

[villa10]

<quote>но те кто понимает о чем я...вполне возможно обсудить тенденции развития </quote>

I agree 100 % with your comment . That's the key for the former URSS market.

A lot of web based industries (not only casinos) are looking with interest that market.
Indeed there are already some casinos with versions in russian and polish.

[PartnerJ]

Hi vila10, thanks for the comment, really hope that a few more people will join this discussion.

you know i spent some time doing research of the market..well can't say that it really is a highly reliable source of information but still i've done my best.

basically the market of the post soviet countries is still developing and does not have a stable form...

as i said earlier slot halls are appr 90% of the market and there are huge land based projects but a big part of the population is somewhat hostile to online gambling.

by the way not all e-wallets accept payments from the population of Eastern Europe...in Ukraine and Russia for example Webmoney is quite popular but in Ukraine there is no neteller..

There is a poker network of Leon Poker - what the guys have done is basically opening a number of computer clubs where people can play poker online at PartyPoker. not sure if they can play anywhere else....they get good bucks out of that.

But what I think Russia and eastern Europe needs is attention of huge bookmaker or creating a network of russian language gambling oriented sites...

so everyone who has traffic from russia or eastern europe - guys and gals join www.gamblex.net and we will pay you for the traffic you serve...with our software there is absolutely no nuisance regarding geo targeting or targeting by category or language - we provide all the tools

pm me, respond here or send to jcase@adwiser.net

[PartnerJ]

I'm not promoting gamblex.net, i'm just writing that if you folks have eastern european traffic and you could not find use for it we can help you use it effectively and earn. that can help us as well with creating a nice review of the market and survey of what advertising means work best for the slavic mentality

[MrYook]

I developed a european portal and decided to include some of the countries
that you've mentioned. I don't know much about those countries, but I do
believe that their is potential for online gaming in almost every country.

Most affiliates tend to focus on european and asian countries with a larger
percentage of Internet users. I'm sure that gambling is popular within the
eastern european nations, but.. I'm not sure if people in that region of the
world feel safe enough to purchase over the Internet. Do people in those
countries have easy access to e-wallets, bank accounts, and credit cards
that they can use to make deposits or withdrawals from the casinos?

If you are from that region of the world and you can legally promote
gambling to those countries, then you are in a better position to
reach people there, then those of us within other countries.

I believe it is easier to promote gambling to people.. if you
are fluent in their language and you understand their culture.

[aksana]

Hi guys.

I tried to do something that to have some success in the Eastern Europe and I hope I will have. For russians I added a special subdomain, I promote GloboTech casinos there, I see they are very good and for the first month of promoting I received some comissions.

But sometimes it's so funny when I see a deposit of $1 or $3.119 in russian casinos

Somehow I asked my aff manager it was really possible to make a deposit of $1 and he told yes.

I don't have a lot with russian market now but planning to make more.

[YuraK]

IMHO technically Russian (or better say Russian-speaking) gambling sites are not much behind and even sometimes ahead of international. But peoples' attitude, popularity among players is like in US 6-7 years ago. Local eWallets like Webmoney are OK, but internet access, international eWallets, credit cards and bank services still have a long way to go.
So this market definitely have potential, especially taking into account new anti-gambling law and relatively fast infrastructure development.

[ogpaper]

Actually, people from that region have more VISA and MCards than probably the Americans do - they will be debit cards, but it's all the same.

But you will run into the following issues:

- Although Eastern Europeans gamble more than most nations, it's done on sports, mainly soccer. Online casino games just dont seem to be as attractive as in the States. Texas Holdem is slightly picking up, but not much.

- You should always go by the value of your players and not numbers. You are comparing average income ranging from $200 - $800 a month to $3000 - $5000 in the Western Europe and USA.

- Gambling in E.E. is mostly a male thing, where in US for example more women would play slots than men.

- The markets in each country already have established a few local players which have most of the market already taken.

So bottom line, I would advise anyone against targeting those countries. Something on the side is always good, but dont hold your breath on it, and dont let struggling affiliate programs convince you in the "potential" of such markets. It costs very little to a casino to have a front translated to a language, so it's not a factor in making up your mind.

[PartnerJ]

[quote=ogpaper;482247]Actually, people from that region have more VISA and MCards than probably the Americans do - they will be debit cards, but it's all the same.

But you will run into the following issues:

- Although Eastern Europeans gamble more than most nations, it's done on sports, mainly soccer. Online casino games just dont seem to be as attractive as in the States. Texas Holdem is slightly picking up, but not much.

although they are betting on sports, if they are betting online - mostly through foreign bookmakers because they don't see to trust local ones really and the coefficients don't always inspire. Online casino is just not as popular because not everyone knows what internet is and not everyone knows what to do with it. Poker is getting quite popular and there is a computer club network offering online poker with PartyPoker, plus there is a number of poker guides

- You should always go by the value of your players and not numbers. You are comparing average income ranging from $200 - $800 a month to $3000 - $5000 in the Western Europe and USA.

in post soviet countries there are a lot of people crazy about gambling and i've seen many losing their monthly salaries in one day. done that myself in fact once

people just need to know more guides and more reputable sites and i think that what is necessary is the guide for sports exchange and p2p betting

- Gambling in E.E. is mostly a male thing, where in US for example more women would play slots than men.

that was so a few years ago. today appr 25% of visitors are females - that refers to land based however

in terms of online gambling, it's more of young people and middle aged playing

- The markets in each country already have established a few local players which have most of the market already taken.

yes there are a few big players but i don't see any with solid reputation except maybe brandycasino

plus the market is really of a good size, it's just that it has not developed full time really like or at least to the level of Poland

So bottom line, I would advise anyone against targeting those countries. Something on the side is always good, but dont hold your breath on it, and dont let struggling affiliate programs convince you in the "potential" of such markets. It costs very little to a casino to have a front translated to a language, so it's not a factor in making up your mind.

That's why we appeared. our system offers banner targeting by country, language etc
the later version will include option of content geo targeting

Post soviet market has the capacity and all what i think is necessary for a good start is launching a guide for poker, p2p betting and casino.

No bingo oh and by the way, a good portion of people from those countries know what backgammon is and play it well.

[PartnerJ]

Вассап Аксана!

if you are planning to work with russian speaking market, take a minute and visit www.gamblex.net - you may find something of interest there

as for the projects for russian part...would you consider doing a p2p betting guide?

Hi guys.

I tried to do something that to have some success in the Eastern Europe and I hope I will have. For russians I added a special subdomain, I promote GloboTech casinos there, I see they are very good and for the first month of promoting I received some comissions.

But sometimes it's so funny when I see a deposit of $1 or $3.119 in russian casinos

Somehow I asked my aff manager it was really possible to make a deposit of $1 and he told yes.

I don't have a lot with russian market now but planning to make more.

[ogpaper]

Oh, I'm sorry, I did not realise you were doing a sales pitch. Well, you carry on then.

I just want to comment on this:

in post soviet countries there are a lot of people crazy about gambling and i've seen many losing their monthly salaries in one day. done that myself in fact once

that we don't encourage compulsive gambling and addiction, and you should not either.

[aksana]

Oh, I'm sorry, I did not realise you were doing a sales pitch. Well, you carry on then.

I just want to comment on this:



that we don't encourage compulsive gambling and addiction, and you should not either.

agree with you. And I agree with russian government that they are going to move all casinos, slot machines to special towns, because a lot of people really lose their full salary on the way to their home.

PartnerJ, thank you for the link.

[aksana]

And russian guys I want to ask you about russian online casinos. Do you promote any of them? I now promote Globotech casinos, but would like to know more trusted russian casinos and poker rooms. Of course they must offer at least 25%-30% rev share.

Thanks

[PartnerJ]

Hello Everyone, this is me again

The question I have is the following: is there anyone interested in coming with up with a site with either Russian language orientation or inclusion of other languages used locally in post soviet countries.

If there is, please let me know and we can start from there since we are offering technology and ability to optimize traffic to the finest and best results due to the AdGine software we have developed

[YuraK]

And russian guys I want to ask you about russian online casinos. Do you promote any of them? I now promote Globotech casinos, but would like to know more trusted russian casinos and poker rooms. Of course they must offer at least 25%-30% rev share.

Thanks

GoldFishka, Loto, Brandy, Russian Casino.

[aksana]

GoldFishka, Loto, Brandy, Russian Casino.

Thanks I know about them, what do you know about stargame.ru?

[AFFManager]

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[YuraK]

Thanks I know about them, what do you know about stargame.ru?

It was close to complete list. I have my question about White Club and Grand Casino. I did not mention Russian versions of international casinos (like Hotpepper above). I think Globo is far from trustworthy, casinos like stargame, Anna etc. too small and suspicious.