22bet

[Mamba97]

Is there any evidence that 22bet is from Direx(1XSlots)?

[Mamba97]

Dear Forum,

Can someone help me with a very urgent question?
Does anyone have any proof that 22Bet is owned by TonyBet?
Is there any evidence of withdrawals or deposits?
This is a very serious and urgent matter which could help many people.

Thank you.

[universal4]

There is some speculation that 22bet was started as white-label of tony bet.

Even if this is the true case, that does not mean they are the same.

White labels are often completely different entities, do not share databases, different marketing, different affiliate programs if any, do not share payment processing, and have different ownership structures.

Even if any of the services offered by the whitelabel use the same vendor, it does NOT mean they are the same, nor owned by the main entity.

There might be cases where the main entity could retain a portion of ownership, but often it is just a financial obligation that the main entity gets a share of the revenue produced.

Could be someone else here knows more of what the aggrement with them is.

Rick
Universal4

[Mattbar]

All I know is that 22bet were a white label of Tonybet but of course as we know with white labels it is often not easy to find the ultimate beneficial owner and a lot of the time that is part of the point. We stopped following them in 2020 when they pulled out of the UK market, when I wrote this post: https://www.latestbettingoffers.co.u...ened-to-22bet/. They were the only white label of Tonybet at the time, not sure if that is suspicious or not. Hope you get to the bottom of it but from trying to find out who owns white labels myself in the past I know it can be a rabbit hole.

[Sherlock]

As far as I know the UBO is/are the same for Tony 22bet 20bet vave ivy etc. 22bet is the flagship or seems to be. Tonybet was bought by the owners later. They make independent brands, marketing teams etc (not always hellpartners and vave for example are being merged).

It would be nice if you can say more to others, if you are requesting info. Especially if there is some problem.

[Mamba97]

Thank you for answering.
Yes, there are many problems. 22bet, 20bet and the rest of the casinos operate in Germany without a licence, so they take money, but when it comes to withdrawals, it is very hard to achieve.
And who can you complain to? Curaçao? They don't care at all.

I have helped many people who were self-excluded in Germany, but 22bet lets them play in their casinos without any KYC or self-exclusion checks.
Many of them have children to feed, etc.

[Sherlock]

This is a affiliate forum. So we are on the same boat with the bookies and casinos.

You do not understand gentle details, e.g. the most important is that the more regulated and licensed the casino is, the less likely it will pay us (or me to speak for myself). This group is actually the best for affiliates. I guess also for the reasons that you are stating (e.g. not having self-exclusion checks, not having annoying KYC etc... simply they work old style, like any good casino).

We affiliates (=people who promote casinos for money) are unable to make significant money on regulated markets, that is it. We are constantly being robbed there, because the casinos use exactly those checks as an excuse not to pay us. So you will not get any more support from me, because it goes against my interest. You are trying to destroy 22bet earnings and reputation, which means you are destroying mine.

Sounds harsh, it is harsh, but that is how it is. This is not a gambler's advocacy board. Good luck. (Some other suicidal members will maybe help you).

And who can you complain to?

I guess to your nearest local Bahnhof. Your clients, or people you help to, have to get the lesson and not to be stupid in future. Nobody forced them to deposit the money. If they need someone to blame for their idiocy, they can always play at Tipico, bet365, bwin, interwetten, bet-at-home, 888 to name a few I guess regulated ones, who robbed me for significant money.

[eenzoo]

I have helped many people who were self-excluded in Germany, but 22bet lets them play in their casinos without any KYC or self-exclusion checks.
Many of them have children to feed, etc.

Thats the point! Could you pls forward those contacts? Best clients ever! I have to feed children too and a wife and a V8 BMW ... ton of taxes has to be paid. Pls