All 22 casinos in rewards player emails and links to CR website

[Renee]

I'm starting to get tired of these posts. You are still promoting us very heavily on your site and a month or two ago had your BIGGEST MONTH EVER with Rewards Affiliates.

Why are you still promoting us? Because you're making good money and a lot of it is from old players (who you say we are stealing from you).

And yes, you are going to now post saying you haven't worked on the site etc and that's why you haven't removed us, but it's a very convenient story that I do not buy into. At least everyone is aware that you do not follow your own advice when they read this thread and any other thread you start, because I will continue to let people know when you continue to bang on about something that has been discussed to its death.

Now to your post that contains no research whatsoever.

You can all test this too..
I want you to do this.

Go to Golden Tiger by clicking your OWN referral link. For shits and giggles, here is one that is not linked to any account you can try to test, which is what I tested with:

http://www.goldentigercasino.com/referral.asp?aff_id=affXXXXX

When you get to the site, scroll to the bottom and check the Affiliate ID. You should see the ID you tested with.



Now go to the PR link: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/casinorewardscom-celebrates-520155897-winner-132096563.html

Hover over the link for Golden Tiger. You will see in the status bar there is no affiliate ID attached, which means that by clicking on it, whatever aff ID is already cookied for that site will remain. If the player had already clicked through to that site via an affiliate or some other means, they will get credit EVEN THOUGH THEY NEVER CONVERTED THE PLAYER when the player clicked through originally.



After clicking through the PR, scroll to the bottom and have another look at the affiliate ID.



The cookie tracking on the RA brands are tagged to last referrer to each individual casino. We have and will continue to maintain that this is the fairest policy for affiliates.

Other groups that tag to first referrer do this ON THEIR BACKEND after the player has registered because it is not safe to share cookies across different domains. The user would be prompted with virus alerts and it would be possible for injection attacks, which is why it is not and will not be done.

On another note, because of the percentage of players affiliates bring in compared to the overall numbers, the probability that a player that came through your link who chats on live chat and actually clicks on the link then clicks through to a casino that they did not visit through you and then rather open an account there and start playing (when they obviously contacted live chat about the account they opened already) is so unlikely that it is almost an impossibility.

I really think you just post now to get a rise out of me.

[universal4]

Let me see if I follow what you said Renee.

If I send a visitor to Golden Tiger but they don't join. (they are tagged with my cookie)

They go to chat because they aren't convinced.

Chat sends them to another page, which ends up closing the sale.

The player should be tagged to me since I was the last affy to send them.

In reality, the player could actually go back to the casino the following day as a type-in, (and end up in chat on the second day) but should actually be cookied with my tag.

To be honest, if this is what is happening....sounds good to me....

Rick
Universal4

[Renee]

Hey Rick

If I send a visitor to Golden Tiger but they don't join. (they are tagged with my cookie)

They go to chat because they aren't convinced.

Chat sends them to another page, which ends up closing the sale.

Yes, if the other page sends them directly to the same casino site (i.e. there is no tag on the other site, as per the example above), that is exactly what is happening. If the other page they were sent to had a tag, it would be overwritten on the casino site when the player visited, since it was the last referring tag.

So to be clear, unless another tag is used in between, your tag will still be there and you'll get credit for the player even though they did not register as a result of getting there through your tag.

[GCG]

Your argument I am promoting you guys quite heavily ...... come on ........ that is the cheapest excuse I have ever heard.

I have many MG casinos and yes also the CR brands ......

But lets keep it at to WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING - I am the messenger .......!

The cookie tracking on the RA brands are tagged to last referrer to each individual casino. We have and will continue to maintain that this is the fairest policy for affiliates.

there are multiple situations to think of (again):

1. If I refer a player to eg Villento Casino and the player has a question about the bonus etc and asks live support and has to wait and clicks on the PR news link and then on Golden Tiger and finds it more appealing I have lost the player.
2. Existing players referred by affiliates with just 1 account that formerly were under VegasAff / Playshare etc can now be cross promoted with no costs to Rewards Affiliates.

You are doing everything to divert traffic to ANY of your casinos and it does not matter how because you stick to the latest referrer rule anyway but with so many casinos that rule has been in advatage of Rewards Affiliates more than ever before.

In other words :

1. we basically pay for your PR news stuff and continue to suffer from it.
2. many referred players by affiliates are exposed to your inhouse and aggressive marketing campaigns to maximize YOUR player returns.

I get angry if I refer a hobby player and can not do anything to prevent him/her being exposed to your marketing campaings. IMO many open a new account at another casino and continue to play there, if they do not I am lucky.


In other words a player for life means a player will be subject to Casino Rewards promotions for life, referred by affiliates or not.

If you think this is the fairest solution ..... you have not really thought about being us affiliates .....if you would run your own portal you would disagree too I am 100% postive about that......but YOU are not affected but merely seeking for excuses to continue with these sick campaigns.

[Renee]

Your argument I am promoting you guys quite heavily ...... come on ........ that is the cheapest excuse I have ever heard.

But it is FACT, not an excuse.

I am the messenger .......!

Yes, I believe you ARE the "messenger".

I explained how the programs who tag to first referrer do that. I've also explained that we do not tag that way, that we tag to last referrer (and why) and you should be technically savvy enough to know that my explanation about not being able to safely share cookies between different domains is legit. If not, please go and research it. I'm not going to continually repeat myself.

Yes, if a player gets to a site where you were not the last referrer, they will not be tagged to you. I have never said this is not the case.

As I said in my last post, YOU're still promoting us. YOUR actions speak louder than your words ever could.

[GCG]

As I said in my last post, YOU're still promoting us. YOUR actions speak louder than your words ever could.

Ofcourse I am promoting CR brands along with Playshare and Vegasafff......but now they are all on CR .... I have to diversify to survive unless you tell me that is not a good idea...

Maybe I have a brain fart but you certainly have had a brain wash.

At least I am doing something about it and make it transparant for everyone to see.

Others remain silent, do not like it, but do not want to speak up, I can understand that too.

[PingPong]

Affiliate being ridiculed for promoting the brand. This is so cool!

[Renee]

Affiliate being ridiculed for promoting the brand. This is so cool!

No. The affiliate is telling everyone else not to promote the brands, but still does so himself.

The affiliate must be trying to get everyone else to drop us so that he can have all the players for himself

[pdjoe]

Affiliate being ridiculed for promoting the brand. This is so cool!

How can an affiliate rogue any program on one site and then promote them on another? It just doesn't add up to me.

[Renee]

How can an affiliate rogue any program on one site and then promote them on another? It just doesn't add up to me.

Thanks. This is my point exactly.

[PingPong]

How can an affiliate rogue any program on one site and then promote them on another? It just doesn't add up to me.

I know very little about casinos and my efforts are with sport betting, but I think the answer is very simple and it's quite common thing!

for e.g. I know (and tell) a lot of terrible things about bwin and Unibet. Did I stop promoting them? No! Why? I got some players in the past and brands do convert (more or less). Secondary reason is that I can't find decent alternatives or ways to drive 'different' traffic. So I feel like in position with no other choice but to continue promotion (but with lesser exposure).

I FEEL that situation is similar with Rewards Affiliates. They do convert and bring money but there are some 'issues'.
I don't remember GCG saying "you should stop promoting Rewards Affiliates NOW!!" or something similar. My perception of his posts is that he shares his experiences by giving WARNINGS to other affiliates. What will others do - it's their own decision.



At the same time, I do accept that GCG can be wrong with some of his claims and it's affiliate manager job to professionally resolve/clarify situation. I can surely understand that such affiliates are pain, but who said life is easy? I believe it's quite unprofessional to publicly vent all the frustration about the situation.

I'm starting to get tired of these posts.
.......
I really think you just post now to get a rise out of me.

[pdjoe]

Thanks Ping,

So you promote programs you still don't trust? This is the part that bothers me. If I don't trust a program, the first thing to happen is they are off my sites,

Been working with Rewards for some years now and its just my 2 but I trust them.

[Renee]

Maybe I have a brain fart but you certainly have had a brain wash.

Ping I will assume then that this is on your list of things that are ok then since you didn't add it into your quote, or say that affiliates should also show the same professionalism when they post.

I have not accused the affiliate of being mentally unstable as he has me. I have pointed out facts. Nothing that I have said is untrue. Yes, I'm getting tired of this. And yes, I feel that the affiliate only posts to get a rise out of me, because the same thing was posted at another forum a day or two before this one and got no reply, so was posted here because the OP knows I have no obligation to post at the other forum, but if I do not respond here we will lose our sponsorship. The OP is playing on that fact.

IMO you don't tell people not to smoke cigarettes because you will die, then smoke cigarettes yourself.

[PingPong]

So you promote programs you still don't trust? This is the part that bothers me. If I don't trust a program, the first thing to happen is they are off my sites,

Yes and I think I explained why. It bothers me too but I have no other options at the moment.
From my experience people care a lot about sportsbook brand, so I've had zero success with 'unknown' brands. MAYBE whole process is easier with casinos...

Ping I will assume then that this is on your list of things that are ok then since you didn't add it into your quote, or say that affiliates should also show the same professionalism when they post.

Absolutely unacceptable! 'You' should never treat people (especially women!) this way.


So I issue a WARNING. All forum members should be careful with GCG as he may have a brain fart and thinks that some of you have had a brain wash.

[GCG]

Originally Posted by Renee IMO you don't tell people not to smoke cigarettes because you will die, then smoke cigarettes yourself.

Those who have a lot of traffic do not bother to discuss this on boards.

I am sorry but I am not one of them so your story that I want all the conversions for myself is just invented by you.

talking about smoke screens LOL

Originally Posted by pdjoe
How can an affiliate rogue any program on one site and then promote them on another? It just doesn't add up to me.

I have made it NO secret at all that I promote RA brands, I do because I need to survive.

BUT there is the catch also for you pdjoe (and I am in the same situation as all of you guys):

when it comes to cross promoting when there is no credit to the affiliate (newsletter and promo emails and live chat e.g.) and already referred big / returning players can be wooed away by these campaigns you are stealing our bread and butter without paying for the lead*.

If you earn ok with the program, and think the money is good no problems here than you are telling yourself a fairy tale as the program has been built for maximizing profits for the management not both affiliate and management.

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Renee you know exactly what I am talking about if you had your own portal and a program was doing this and compromizing your livelyhood you would choose to fight too just like you do the the utmost to defend your managements policy now.

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I am not telling anybody to stop promoting just warn affiliates that players are subject to inhouse CR cross promoting efforts (*) and can not expect the life time value their may be hoping for.
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Originally Posted by pdjoe
How can an affiliate rogue any program on one site and then promote them on another? It just doesn't add up to me.

Originally Posted by Renee
Thanks. This is my point exactly.

By keep on telling others how big an idiot I am a person who is still promoting and telling it is a scam at the same time you are trying to stop me and make me give up, now that woud be very convenient for Rewards Affiliates wouldn't it be ?

1. Too bad cuz if you guys want to put your hands in my cookie jar (players base) you need to pay for it and cuz as you wish not to, you will be reported for this.

2. Also each time you invent new ways to woo players away it will be reported.

3. I am sorry if this makes you tired but this will not stop anytime soon.

[Golan.WingateAff]

Affiliate being ridiculed for promoting the brand. This is so cool!

Totally made me lol )

I think both parties made a good claim, the frustration on both ends is understandable
I also think they both kept it rather professional and made their point clear

So you promote programs you still don't trust?

As I see it, trust is a very important issue but in this industry it's really hard to fully trust someone
I mean obviously we want to, but you learn from experience.. it's just not that easy
some people just value things differently and I guess it was an important issue for GCG which as I said is totally understandable
tbh I'm not that sure if there's much to be done about this matter as RA are trying to keep their policy fair and I think every solution trying to keep the general public pleased will have a few loopholes that some people might disagree on

[GCG]

As I see it, trust is a very important issue but in this industry it's really hard to fully trust someone
I mean obviously we want to, but you learn from experience.. it's just not that easy
some people just value things differently and I guess it was an important issue for GCG which as I said is totally understandable
tbh I'm not that sure if there's much to be done about this matter as RA are trying to keep their policy fair and I think every solution trying to keep the general public pleased will have a few loopholes that some people might disagree on

Golan G | Affiliate Manager
wingateaffiliates.com

Golan I understand you want to contribute on the forum but this is not an issue about trust, it is about inhouse cross promotions.

This is a vey complicated issue with Rewards Affiliates and I have spent a lot of time in it to investigate and bring it out in the open what issues there are.

There is no fair solution yet regarding their cross promotion, pls do not give us the impression there is.

Please do not treat this as small potatoes cuz it is a lot of real money lost every month that belongs to affiliates.

I hope you understand.

[Golan.WingateAff]

I do, didn't mean to make it sound like it's small potatoes, far from being my intention.
As I said, I do think your claim is justified, I understand the need to protect that player base as its your livelihood. I'm just not sure there's much to be done about it.
Tough discussion, hope it resolves on a good side for both ends.

[Renee]

OK great.

Can we move on now?

[bettinghistory]

Affiliates becareful please.

I found a website with articles on it " freeslotsbonus. com/" .. it has banners and links on it, which when clicked on, take you to Casino Rewards Casinos. This affiliate is trying to take your players. They are marketing. Warning.

Be very wary.


In all seriousness, you're making a complaint about a gambling brand, that is Press Releasing the fact they had a 5.2 million dollar winner, and as all good marketeers would do, try and promote their brands.

I gather you could be new to marketing, since what CR just did is marketing.
And you're still marketing a brand you're warning affiliates about.

Effort spent on this thread probably cost everyone a $1000.