Bet365 - Reduced revenue amounts Feb and Mar 2018

[iso2009]

got paid today, 2 days after I requested.

[mitkomitko]

Yes, on my side all is on place regarding this.

[Sherlock]

March was nice, but I still was not paid for February. I am also not getting responses from Bet365 team. Now the invoice that is generated is for 2 months, because is already April - also not sure what to do.

[Sherlock]

Just got email that they somehow lost the invoice and I will be paid soon.

[Sherlock]

The money are on the way. It was just a lost invoice. I can confirm that bet365 pay even to closed accounts and my data def do not show shaving or something like that.

[Malikbhai]

The money are on the way. It was just a lost invoice. I can confirm that bet365 pay even to closed accounts and my data def do not show shaving or something like that.

Good to read this.

[Sherlock]

Yes, already came on 5th apr to bank account. I immediately sent invoice for march and asked for confirmation, but I did not get it yet. (Last month I got confirmation that they got invoice, but not the money .

Are you getting confirmations that bet365 received the invoice if you are sending invoices via email? I am even using gmail to send them invoices (for 100% delivery), but am I the only one who has this problem? It happened me 3rd time I think.

[RacingJim]

I never get confirmations for invoices sent. Thought it was normal?

Only communications I've had with accounts is the odd little problem e.g. I had same as you one month where they missed my payment and they put it through again early the next month.

[zinky098]

it is probable that some changes have occurred, my commissions have dropped by 70% and this is inexplicable

[Malikbhai]

They're zapping smaller accounts in order to consolidate. But, if this is indeed true, then their next target would be large suspended accounts.

There is no proof, since the data about such occurrences is new and sporadic. Plus apart from this website, there are two to three more destinations where affiliates could stamp down their grievances; therefore, the noise level around this issue is nugatory.

We'll all know what's under the rock by the end of this year.

[Sherlock]

I do not know why you are telling this, since there is no proof (as you say it). I see no reason why they should do this. On Sat I had maybe 85% of players of my peak day ever (since 2011 incl El Classico days combined with big EPL games). This weekend was one of best in terms of revenue. If there are some affiliate accounts that they should start to shave, it is mine. They also had many opportunities to screw me on something, especially during last months before closure. It would be easy to make something up. But they did not do it.

I think bet365 is a black swan of gambling and black swan of UK companies. They have integrity, it is not just about money there. I always believed in it and I believe it now more than ever. It is not that they are that much afraid of this or another place. It was clearly proven that we affiliates are toothless. Bet365 do not steal, because they think it is not right to steal, not because they are afraid of board ruled by one old guy who loves conspiracies. After working with them for years as affiliate and after cashing out as a player (years ago) from them more than from any other bookie, I really believe in their integrity.

I like my privacy, so I will not post here the statements, but I am tempted to do so. They did not steal a penny. I have seen way too many data sheets to feel a scam. I am still getting new players from past regs prob from links outside or typein! More frequently I see -1 or -2 players from closed accounts. There are still new real money players that come from past registrations; it is in fact more new real money players than new regs. The stats of bet365 are not going to depth, but everything is simply as it should be.

People who have tens or hundreds of players prove absolutely nothing. In fact 1 whale or pro/lucker makes a huge difference even for biggest affiliates: I have now at Bovada a guy who lost like 150K just in April. After he lost I think 100K in March (and won before). It can happen to anyone and big winners occur at bet365.

Another thing: Nobody here is making in-depth analysis of our audiences. Some affiliates have traffic without fidelity: players who just grab bonuses. Of course that players of those affiliates will have much shorter lifespan than casual bettors (even when they can be profitable as well).

Another thing: seasonality. NFL ended. South America (Brazil) had a pause until now. Tennis season was paused as well. What do we know about geos of the players of complaining affiliates?

We'll all know what's under the rock by the end of this year.

We will not. It is the same as tether conspiracy that is here from the time tether exists. Bet365 "stealing" will be permanent discussion here. I think not fair to them.

Actually I do have something against bet365 now, but under circumstances, I will not mention it. I like them, they paid me more than all affiliates alltogether, so I am not objective

[Malikbhai]

...Some affiliates have traffic without fidelity: players who just grab bonuses. Of course that players of those affiliates will have much shorter lifespan than casual bettors (even when they can be profitable as well)...

For an average social media affiliate; this is valid.

... I like them, they paid me more than all affiliates alltogether...

Now that's just bragging. This is also not a surprise. From what I've read through your own posts on GPWA; it does seem that you are a big deal.

If what you say is the truth, then you're probably the man who has helped Coates a lot in becoming a billionaire.

But, I'll stand by my conspiracy theory. There's no integrity in the sin industry, only an illusion of it; and that too a weak one.

[Vicente]

I am affiliate near ten years, every month had winnings, maybe one month each year negative numbers.

Since 3 months ago i have negative numbers 95% of the days. Today -1495€.

I think they are cheating affiliates, but is impossible to obtain proofs ot that.

I think i never will receive money from them again.

[iso2009]

I think it is better to create a poll where everyone with closed accounts should vote. While I think Bet365 are honest, there too many voices claiming their revenue dropped after the account was "closed".

[Vicente]

I think it is better to create a poll where everyone with closed accounts should vote. While I think Bet365 are honest, there too many voices claiming their revenue dropped after the account was "closed".

I agree! I think they are honest, i have received my payments for near 10 years, but... there's no smoke without fire!

First they closed our accounts and don't replied to our mails, then strange numbers...

[slotsarmy]

What do you guys think is the best form of deal? Only rev share, or i heard some people thinks a mix with a lower rev share + CPA is the way to go

[Sherlock]

I am affiliate near ten years, every month had winnings, maybe one month each year negative numbers.

Since 3 months ago i have negative numbers 95% of the days. Today -1495€.

I think they are cheating affiliates, but is impossible to obtain proofs ot that.

I think i never will receive money from them again.

It can be normal run of a lucky player. It just happens. 1K or so per day is nothing. Players hitting some initial win tend to "play it safe" with low odds. Or they tend to play martingale and they have a lot of money in bank, so they keep winning long time small money and then they suddenly lose it all.

April 2018 is for me better than April 2017.

Bet365 do not cheat. If they were cheating, they would start slicing big accounts for much bigger money. Why would they cheat to put there minus money to make you frustrated? It is nonsense. The best cheating is shaving without pissing you off with minus numbers. Like paddypower or willhill.

[Sherlock]

I think it is better to create a poll where everyone with closed accounts should vote. While I think Bet365 are honest, there too many voices claiming their revenue dropped after the account was "closed".

Survivorship bias.

Decent number of affiliate accounts are always underwater. Those people now talk. We do not have overall picture. Those who are happy are not looking for forums to say "oh, they are so great". The happy ones (if exist) just happily spend the money. Online audience is never a representative sample.

[Sherlock]

For an average social media affiliate; this is valid.



Now that's just bragging. This is also not a surprise. From what I've read through your own posts on GPWA; it does seem that you are a big deal.

If what you say is the truth, then you're probably the man who has helped Coates a lot in becoming a billionaire.

But, I'll stand by my conspiracy theory. There's no integrity in the sin industry, only an illusion of it; and that too a weak one.

Well, this is going to have philosophical overlap. I trust generally to people, even when I am being beaten hard over and over again. It is the essence of successful business. There are tons of smartasses around who always tell and to everybody else "I told you so".

I am sure the most rich and successful people understand the importance of the fool archetype.

Yes, this is a sin industry, but is gambling that much different to other niches of capitalism? I do not believe so. Spending is a life program of humanity, being a perpetual customer is our destiny. On the other side is always marketing and playing with our hopes and illusions that are sold in packages as our needs and fun.

Part of the marketing is always a fight and the fight is always dirty in some way. You always choose people and principles that you cooperate with fully and then the people and principles that are the enemies or where at least you do some compromises.

I am really trying to read the world like this. I am trying to feel people and business partners like this. I feel I am still in the beginning and it is a pity, because I will die soon as everybody.

Anyways with Bet365 I simply feel they value their business partners (and people generally) higher than most of their competitors. If you read the Coates CV (the old man, but then the spirit is in whole family), they come from poor mining family or something like that. I may be absolutely wrong, but I believe there is still the understanding how people need each other and this is beyond all the money.

Of course, it is schizophrenic, bet365 is still in gambling, which is something that ruins the lives of the weak people, so it is not some endless love of Jesus. But I simply believe Bet365 were always choosing to play it much more with business partners and much less with regulators than their competition. And there is no point to end it now.

Question: How much they can "make" if they screw all affiliates now? I really have no idea, wild guess is 250M - 2B over all the incoming years. Why would they do it? They said directly years ago they like to be independent and not doing what the people at LSE want if there is some drop in revenue. They are billionaires, they have families, they have integrity and they have enough sins from gambling on their shoulders. It makes no sense - with their story and everything - to screw affiliates. And I absolutely believe they are intelligent enough to know this. As it was in batman: It's not about the money. It's about sending a message. The message is for their own soul and the soul is also a key to a future success. The way up is slow and steady and is always slippery. Everybody can fall. If some principles lift you up, then it is natural just to keep them (it is natural to stick to the habits even for unsuccessful people, but that is another story).

They made a business where they do not need to be a prostitutes of shareholders. Why should they - after all the effort, where they amazingly succeeded - should now sell themselves so relatively cheap? They are not - I am really sorry for the racist remark - the gambling-Jews who screw everyone for thousands, then millions and then even billions. They are not the people who just look at excell sheets and maximalize just the accounting revenue. That is why they are - thank god - so successful.

My affiliate account for sure did not make them the billion, since I am not 1/3 billionaire (not even with the crypto). True: who knows how much we affiliates help to brand recognition. I hope I helped them a lot. For honest partners I am glad even for players that I co-deliver and they do not have my tag. (It just happens with bettinpartners, they have some problems, I am sure many of my players were not tagged during last weeks, but I trust them they work on it, so it is not a problem, like with most fu.cks who do not give a fu.ck).

Coates made the billions, because they made it of themselves. Because they decided to go through a solid way of not cheating partners. It were they who in a way created one generation of sport affiliates (after bwin decided to do a suicide).

Maybe in the end you will tell me here "I told you so". All those my long texts loving Bet365 will be absolutely laughable. I will be the fool again.

But either way: the affiliates with closed accounts can not do anything (as the affiliates with open accounts can also almost do nothing ). So why bother? The bets on bet365 were already placed.

[TheGooner]

I'll put it simply - I trust Bet365 and continue to work with them ...
(Even if I am frustrated by their specific advertising restrictions).