CAP Audits-Conflict of Interest

[GamTrak]

Oh come on now, you know there were no threads about the crap.. I mean CAP audits. This is new!

This NOT new! The audit occured in November 2008 and the final results were stated in posts there, it's not for me to do anything more than that as I'm not on trial here and don't have to answer to ANY of you so I won't be addressing any more questions about it as I have way to much work to do on my site to continue this BS no matter how many threads you post to address me (like you have in the private section)! That goes for everyone except the staff here at the GPWA!

You can fill your day obsessed over CAP, but don't expect me to feed it because I'M BUSY!

Anyone that needs information on the CAP audits can find it at the CAP forum. If you need/want access to that area then PM me and I'll take it to the CAP Staff.

[mojo]

No worries Robin. I wanted to make everyone aware and that is done now. I wasn't addressing you in particular.

Off to work myself. Have a great day.

[GamTrak]

This is the last that I'm going to reply to any of the Rome/CAP audit event.

first post……. http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.c...t=33612&page=8


Rome Audit Update

Guys I havent had the chance to chat with Robin, but based on her comments in the moderators area I think its only fair to Rome Casino that we archive the first audit results and revisit them in the future. Their appears to be a communication discrepency and we want to ensure all CAP audits are 100% accurate in their conclusions so a retest is in order.


Gabe and Josh thank you for all the support in reviewing our first audit and we apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you. Also special thanks to Top Game for their quick response and for addressing the concerns we had and for making the requested changes to the tracking cookies.

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2nd important post……. http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.c...t=33612&page=7



Rome Casino Audit

Over the past few days, it's come to my attention that my company has been the subject of CAP's first Affiliate Program Audit. Though I believe without a shadow of a doubt that they had the best of intentions in conducting it, the results could not possibly be further from the truth. Having said that, I've been in discussions with Robin over the last couple of days and we've determined that her report has been misread completely. I'm personally not interested in who was at fault so long as Rome's name is cleared completely and a public apology is made for the mistake. I look forward to a follow up post by Robin and The Professor to fully exonerate Rome Casino and to verify that what I speak here is the truth. I want to thank both The Professor and Robin for coming forward and helping to clean up this mess. My only hope is that everyone reads this and we can somehow repair some of the damage done to our reputation. I simply want it made totally clear that an audit on Rome WAS done and that its results were extremely positive.


3rd post by you….. same link as above

I completely agree with what Ceaser said. It does appear that my report was misread.

Being that I did not see the report before it was published I had no idea what the results would be. In my mind I knew that some of the 2nd deposits were missing and asked the testers to send the information to me to verify it. I never got that and when I heard that there were errors I assumed that was the problem and it was only AFTER Josh and Gabriel called me that I found out what had occured.

I'm glad that Rome has a chance to show their side and folks can make up their own mind.

I'm sorry for any errors on my part, which was not asking to see the report prior to publication, not demanding the screenshot of 2nd deposit and I missed one 2nd deposit made, and will be sure that it does not happen again.



4th post….. http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.c...t=33612&page=3

I invite all affiliates to contact Gamtrak and join us in testing so you can help us acheive our mutual goals which are accurate and dependable statsitcs and reporting. As affiliates that's what determines our earnings so its an important task worth doing.

For the sake of sleep I am going to close the thread until tomorrow as I want to ensure the conversation remains productive and positive. I personally appologize for any errors we encountered in the first audit and you have my commitment that we will ensure each future audit incoporates checks and balances and the input and ideas you guys supply.


As I mentioned earlier to ensure the audits are effective please share those ideas directly with either Gamtrak, Dominique, Arjun or myself posting in a thread where the programs will read it is not going to help the cause.

[Betpartners]

Ya ok. You keep on dreaming there bud. Lmao !!! If you think the A's are gonna win the world series this year you should not be in sports business. Now Im a Jays fan and we are not winning it either this year but.....GO CITO !!!

Oh i know i am dreaming mate, thats what makes life so great, that we can dream

[lots0]

Nice post gamtrak.

But you never even mentioned the the subject of this thread, the conflict of interest that CAP has in even doing these so called "audits".

I think everyone sees a problem with the fact CAP preforms public audits of their competitors without informing anyone they are in fact competitors to those they publicly "audit".

[Caruso]

Define 'Irregular Betting Patterns'.

http://www.vegaspalms.com/promoterms

Before any withdrawals are processed, your play will be reviewed for any irregular playing patterns.

The Casino reserves the right to decide in its sole discretion which activities constitute "irregular play"...and to withhold any cash-ins where irregular play has occurred.

Conflict of interest: you all promote Fortune Lounge in spite of rogue terms, terms designed to rip off the player. After the Grand Privé affair, you all know what rogue terms are; they're terms like these...

The Webmaster (Affiliate) will not be entitled to referral fees occurring after the date of termination.

...which entitle Grand Privé to rip you off with no comeback.

So why do you promote Fortune Lounge?

Yes, of course CAP is corrupt. No arguments there. They are as corrupt as an awful lot of other things, and people, in this business.

"He who is without sin...".

LOL.

[Former Member 14]

Hi all,

I get the impression that some folk are confusing conflict of interest as being dishonest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_interest

Although in some instances that maybe true, what I'm referring to as a conflict of interest is not meant to come across as those conducting the audits as questionable.

Any entity that is operating an affiliate association or likewise, that receives paid income, sponsorship money or any other form of reimbursement directly from these programs, is IMHO, operating a conflict of interest when conducting in house program audits.

If however CAP or likewise commissioned an unbiased third (3'rd) party to conduct these program audits, there would be no conflict of interest. Least in regard to the program audits.

Even eCogra holds a conflict of interest in their auditing process. But that's a matter I intend to address in my other thread very soon:
https://www.gpwa.org/forum/gaming-in...st-179342.html



Cheers



Dave

[casinobonusguy]

This is my two cents on cap audit and what can be in the minds of others right now .Cap released the audit reports which looked completely unfavorable to rome casino -overnight they were completely reversed.What's to say that they didnt pay CAP off to change results ?If CAP didnt have the cardspike over their head and the attitudes of trying to control this industry people -going after CAC amsterdam ,ADG, and everyone else -Then more would be taken at face value -I don't think the trust is there and they are not the people to do audits anymore.I think CAP reputation is beyond repair and their audits will not carry any weight or authority in this industry.Every day more affiliates are leaving there .
In regard to fortune Casinos -it is the ONLY place i play and i have won several $xx,xxx prizes and been paid no problems.I think there are certain types of players that casinos do need to protect themselves from and you rarely hear of them exercising everything in their terms and conditions.

Judy

[mojo]

So why do you promote Fortune Lounge?

Yes, of course CAP is corrupt. No arguments there. They are as corrupt as an awful lot of other things, and people, in this business.

"He who is without sin...".

LOL

Duly noted Caruso. I will try to get my head around it and give it some thought. I can say that I have been playing at FL long before I was an affiliate and I like their casinos. Many others do too. There are bad players and bad affiliates. I think this is for another thread lol.

The audits would be fine IMO if only CAP would be clear that they run the aff program for Ab. Slots. I don't think that is too hard to do. A simple disclaimer. Unfortuatly with everything else cap is facing, the trust factor is damaged as casinobonusguy said.

[Former Member 14]

Cap released the audit reports which looked completely unfavorable to rome casino -overnight they were completely reversed.What's to say that they didnt pay CAP off to change results ?

One of the reasons why audits should be conducted by an unbiased third (3'rd) party auditing entity. It dissolves the connections to business impropriety and removes doubts of fudging results.

The issue of conflict of interest which directly ties into the CAP audits does unfortunately bring forth an air of doubt to its credibility, based on the above.

I don't think the trust is there and they are not the people to do audits anymore.

They should not have conducted in house audits to begin with because it's a direct conflict of interest.



Cheers



Dave

[Former Member 14]

The audits would be fine IMO if only CAP would be clear that they run the aff program for Ab. Slots.

You started this thread "CAP Audits-Conflict of Interest"

From where I'm sitting & following this thread, as soon as you were challenged by GamTrak, you've made a complete backward flip.

It's not like you've decided that dark chocolate is better than milk chocolate.

This is what really gets my goat up.

I've seen it so many times before on here and other forums...People make a statement or pass an opinion which may not sit well with someone. Instead of standing their guns they crumble and basically go against what they truly believe in.

Unfortunately topics such as these will upset people. But caving into peoples expectations is not the solution.

It is however part of the problem & IMHO one reason why we always find ourselves in situations like this!



Cheers



Dave

[mojo]

You started this thread "CAP Audits-Conflict of Interest"

From where I'm sitting & following this thread, as soon as you were challenged by GamTrak, you've made a complete backward flip.

It's not like you've decided that dark chocolate is better than milk chocolate.

This is what really gets my goat up.

I've seen it so many times before on here and other forums...People make a statement or pass an opinion which may not site well with someone. Instead of standing their guns they crumble and basically go against what they truly believe in.

Unfortunately topics such as these will upset people. But caving into peoples expectations is not the solution.

It is however part of the problem.



Cheers



Dave

In the first post here I stated:

Conflict of interest is created by the Cap owner(s). Absolute Slots affiliate program is run by Effective Media (EM). Effective Media is owned by CAP owner(s).

CAP is, in essence, auditing their competitors. If the owner of CAP is also running an affiliate program that is advertised at CAP, are they going to Audit their OWN program? That is a conflict of interest. There is no disclosure on CAP that Absolute Slots is run by EM.

It's simple really. CAP should recuse itself from doing any audits as this conflict creates a huge shadow due to non-disclosure.

I have not wavered from that.

The audits are done by our peers, other affiliates and that is fine by me. I stand by what I said. It is a conflict of interest because of absolute slots. Where have I flipped?

It would be smarter if the results were published by a third party, yes. My main issue is what I stated above. You lost me Dave.

[Former Member 14]

No worries Robin. I wanted to make everyone aware and that is done now. I wasn't addressing you in particular.

If I got that wrong I apologise.



Cheers



Dave

[mojo]

If I got that wrong I apologise.



Cheers



Dave

No worries Dave. It may appear that way.

The fact is I spent a lot of time in the private section going over this with GamTrak. GamTrak is the team leader on these audits. I wanted to make it clear that while I disagree strongly with the cap audits, it was not her personally or ethically that I am challenging.

When I felt we could go no further in private, I put this here in public so that everyone could see the information and make their own opinion. The cap audits are wrong IMO.

I said earlier here somewhere that the way the audits are done is something we've all been doing a long time. Test depositers and cross referencing stats. However, CAP should either come clean about ab slots or recuse itself. Or, as you added, have the results published by a 3rd party.

Maybe someone at CAP will take this into consideration.

[GamTrak]

Nice post gamtrak.

But you never even mentioned the the subject of this thread, the conflict of interest that CAP has in even doing these so called "audits".

I think everyone sees a problem with the fact CAP preforms public audits of their competitors without informing anyone they are in fact competitors to those they publicly "audit".

Where did you come from? Did you show up to FIGHT with me? I don't have to address anything that I don't want to. It's not my job to do that no matter how many time you or others ask or demand I do so.

[GamTrak]

This is my two cents on cap audit and what can be in the minds of others right now .Cap released the audit reports which looked completely unfavorable to rome casino -overnight they were completely reversed.What's to say that they didnt pay CAP off to change results ?If CAP didnt have the cardspike over their head and the attitudes of trying to control this industry people -going after CAC amsterdam ,ADG, and everyone else -Then more would be taken at face value -I don't think the trust is there and they are not the people to do audits anymore.I think CAP reputation is beyond repair and their audits will not carry any weight or authority in this industry.Every day more affiliates are leaving there .
In regard to fortune Casinos -it is the ONLY place i play and i have won several $xx,xxx prizes and been paid no problems.I think there are certain types of players that casinos do need to protect themselves from and you rarely hear of them exercising everything in their terms and conditions.

Judy

And WHY are YOU harping on it? Can't anyone make a mistake or do we have to be perfect like you?

[lots0]

Where did you come from?

My Momma.

Did you show up to FIGHT with me?

No, I'm not into fighting.
I'm into making money.
And as I see it the crap at CAP is effecting my earnings (and everyone else's). So I have as much business posting to this thread as you do.

I don't have to address anything that I don't want to. It's not my job to do that no matter how many time you or others ask or demand I do so.

Your posting in a thread about the conflicts of interest in CAP audits. If you choose not to address the subject of the thread... Why are you here?

[AndreS]

This is my two cents on cap audit and what can be in the minds of others right now .Cap released the audit reports which looked completely unfavorable to rome casino -overnight they were completely reversed.What's to say that they didnt pay CAP off to change results ?If CAP didnt have the cardspike over their head and the attitudes of trying to control this industry people -going after CAC amsterdam ,ADG, and everyone else -Then more would be taken at face value -I don't think the trust is there and they are not the people to do audits anymore.I think CAP reputation is beyond repair and their audits will not carry any weight or authority in this industry.
Judy

I can't believe you guys are even discussing CAP audits. CasinoBonusGuy said it best. CAP cannot be trusted in anything they do. You guys are missing an important factor which is, how do we even know Absolute Slots is the only casino they run? We have no idea how many other sites they run therefore their audits are complete bullsh*t. CAP CANNOT BE TRUSTED. End of story. End of CAP. Let's move on.

[GamTrak]

My Momma.


No, I'm not into fighting.
I'm into making money.
And as I see it the crap at CAP is effecting my earnings (and everyone else's). So I have as much business posting to this thread as you do.

Your posting in a thread about the conflicts of interest in CAP audits. If you choose not to address the subject of the thread... Why are you here?

LMAO Like I said, don't expect me to jump just because you want to see it. If I want to make a statement then I will so You need to find someone else to play with because I"M NOT the one and YOU are on my ignore list.

[Betpartners]

LMAO Like I said, don't expect me to jump just because you want to see it. If I want to make a statement then I will so You need to find someone else to play with because I"M NOT the one and YOU are on my ignore list.

lol, he's playing with me at the moment, don't worry i will tire soon and send him straight back to you