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    Question CPA vs RS with NC

    Hello again everyone!

    I can not decide if I should take deals on CPA or Revenue Share with negative carryover. Since I am very new in this industry I do not have much players and afraid that smb can win BIG and disappear and eat commission for next few months. Do you have an experience that players will eventually come back and loose all the winnings? CPA seems to be some quick cash but loosing an opportunity to have a regular depositor. What do you suggest, please?

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    In your case, and 90% of the affiliates, hybrid is the king
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    Quote Originally Posted by promotiontailor View Post
    and 90% of the affiliates, hybrid is the king
    I disagree

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    Quote Originally Posted by universal4 View Post
    I disagree

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    Why not?
    Do you prefer CPA or RevShare?
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    In your case you promote just legal brands who are stealing from affiliates. The RS is not real RS by thieves like Fortuna, Tipsport etc. You will not make any significant money with them. The best is always* RS, but it must be the real RS.
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    fasterice9, between the 2 deals that you've mentioned, I'd choose a revshare with negative carryover deal, rather than just a plain cpa deal. Ultimately, revshare will be the most beneficial for you.

    promotiontailor, it sounds like you're just assuming that 90% of the affiliates in this industry will automatically go for a hybrid deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cash Bonus View Post
    fasterice9, between the 2 deals that you've mentioned, I'd choose a revshare with negative carryover deal, rather than just a plain cpa deal. Ultimately, revshare will be the most beneficial for you.

    promotiontailor, it sounds like you're just assuming that 90% of the affiliates in this industry will automatically go for a hybrid deal.
    If it's CPA or RevShare then definitely rev-share.
    But if you have the option to go with a hybrid deal go for it.

    It's obviously depend on the traffic source (SEO, PPC, etc..) But most of the affiliate traffic isn't good as you think it is so with hybrid you enjoy with both world.

    There are only few affiliates that knows know how to drive quality traffic, mostly ppc, and they go with hybrid deal.

    How do I know that? That's what I do for living
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    You all do not get the fact that OP is operating on highly restricted Slovakian market, where he/she has not much to choose from and he/she will never make any significant money anyways. RS is paid there for 12 or 24 months for example. That is not a revenueshare. Writing here something about NCO is an offtopic. Those oligopolies on regulated markets look for nearly free traffic and they will get it either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by promotiontailor View Post
    How do I know that? That's what I do for living
    Maybe 90% of the affiliates you work with choose a hybrid, maybe you encourage those you work with to go that direction based on your opinion, but that does not mean that 90% is a true percentage of all affiliates go with hybrid.

    I do agree that in some circumstances, and in some markets choosing hybrid with some operators may make sense, but I think a blanket statement that it is always the best choice is not correct, and each affiliate should study their own situations and evaluate what is best for their own situations.

    By the way, there are a LOT more affiliates that earn their living as affiliates, and many have been here for many years, and you are not the exception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by universal4 View Post
    Maybe 90% of the affiliate you work with choose a hybrid, maybe you encourage those you work with to go that direction based on your opinion, but that does not mean that 90% is a true percentage of all affiliates go with hybrid.

    I do agree that in some circumstances, and in some markets choosing hybrid with some operators may make sense, but I think a blanket statement that it is always the best choice is not correct, and each affiliate should study their own situations and evaluate what is best for their own situations.

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    I only encourage them to look at stats.

    I agree with your last paragraph. It depends on the market, brand, traffic source, etc...

    But.. You need to be able to do player level tracking to tell which deal most suitable for you.

    In some cases, to maximize profits, I recommend having multiple deals for the same brand.

    For example, an SEO website that is ranked for live casino and some slot reviews. For the live table listing we recommend to list brands with revshare deal.
    On the slot review page we list the same brands, but with hybrid deals.
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    CPA = masturbation.
    Hybrid = handjob.
    RS = fullservice (but it must be a real RS, not the Slovakian porn).
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    Quote Originally Posted by promotiontailor View Post
    I agree with your last paragraph. It depends on the market, brand, traffic source, etc...
    So in 90% of cases Hybrid is not the king.

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    Quote Originally Posted by universal4 View Post
    So in 90% of cases Hybrid is not the king.

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    As long as 90% of affiliates can't tell where and how the revenue came from they should have a hybrid deal

    Test your Self. Looking at your accounts, can you tell what percentage of the revenue was generated from 'fresh' traffic? How many players were involved in generating this revenue?
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    I like hybrid deals. Money up front to continue investing in my site and then an opportunity to earn more over time.

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    I agree with hybrid deals, best of both worlds. I think the quality of players is declining all the time. It's like smoking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by promotiontailor View Post
    Test your Self. Looking at your accounts, can you tell what percentage of the revenue was generated from 'fresh' traffic? How many players were involved in generating this revenue?
    It's worth doing this anyway every now and again so that you know the value of the traffic you're bringing in.

    Last time I checked I think our break even point for a player against the CPA that was offered at the same brand was about 18 months.
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    I agree that everything depends on lots of factors as says above. But to my mind hybrid are a very cool option. And it has many benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by promotiontailor View Post
    As long as 90% of affiliates can't tell where and how the revenue came from they should have a hybrid deal
    Surely you don't believe this BS yourself, or maybe you do, and you just keep feeding yourself the same dribble day in day out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AussieDave View Post
    Surely you don't believe this BS yourself, or maybe you do, and you just keep feeding yourself the same dribble day in day out.
    Here we go again...

    Looking at your affiliate accounts, can you tell what percentage of your revenue was generated by fresh traffic? Yes or no

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    Quote Originally Posted by promotiontailor View Post
    Here we go again...
    Yes here we go again, kudos for the patronizing smart-mouth...

    You seem to always want the last word, which, for me, after 21 years in this industry, tells me, you know little to nothing about what your talking about... Go on knock yourself out with a reply, I've said my piece, so you'll get no further reply.
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