Private Member Issues Integrity SEALS to own Sites

[Former Member 14]

Hi all,

I first approached Michael Corfman 10 days or so ago about a private GPWA member who had done the following:

1. Affiliate webmaster creates an organisation (to deal with affiliate and player issues).
2. The same webmaster then creates a 'SEAL' which is designed to increase the integrity on a site bearing the aforementioned seal.
3. This seal is added to 55 web sites owned by this affiliate webmaster.
4. No other web sites caries the seal, just this affiliate webmaster.
5. Neither the organisation (issuer of the 'Seal'), the web sites bearing the 'Seal', nor the 'SEAL' certificate(s), disclose the aforementioned sites; seals; or organisation are owned by the same person. That being the affiliate webmaster.

Over and above this, the affiliate webmaster is promoting known rogue casinos. Of which are also being promoted on some of the sites bearing the 'SEAL'.

Personally I have a really BIG problem with this. It's unethical, lacks integrity, but worse it's deceptive and dodgy.

Michael Corfman asked me how I would like this handled.

I chose to have this brought to the private GPWA forums.

My decision was based on the fact that it was a private GPWA member that had instigated this fiasco. So it was my view that their GPWA peers should discuss and voice their opinion on these events.

However although I am not at liberty to reveal what was said in the private GPWA forum where these issues were raised, I ethically and morally have no chosen but to now bring this to the public GPWA forums.

Why I have chosen to do this now, I will leave to your assumptions.

With all that being laid out, I now call for public GPWA members to offer their opinions, thoughts and feelings.

Do you think what this private GPWA webmaster did is ethical or NOT?



Cheers



Dave

[Topboss]

The reason Dave chose to bring this to the public forum is simply because after weeks of debate and attacks from Dave in the private forum. The consensus from the majority of private members was that I was found not guilty of being unethical and deliberately deceiving anyone.
I admitted that I made mistakes with the seals and I apologised for this, but I did not deliberately set out to deceive anyone
He was not happy that the members were in my favour so is trying everything else in his power to damage my reputation.
I am not going to justify myself any further as I have spent 2 weeks on this already. All I ask of the public members is before you judge me - please have the decency to send me a pm and I will answer any concerns you may have.

[Former Member 14]

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All I ask of the public members is before you judge me - please have the decency to send me a pm and I will answer any concerns you may have.

Why would you ask public GPWA members to send you a PM

I can understand that you'd have reservations about this issue now being released to the public GPWA forum.

However what can't be said and disclosed in public, sure as hell shouldn't be discussed in a PM.


Cheers



Dave

[Topboss]

I can understand that you'd have reservations about this issue now being released to the public GPWA forum.

However what can't be said and disclosed in public, sure as hell shouldn't be discussed in a PM.

Fair comment.

I have nothing to hide so please make your comments here then.

[Betpartners]

Cannot see how doing a repeat thread on this benefits anyone to be honest.

This was discussed in the private forums and went off massively in to personal attacks and to expect it to be a different scenario here is wishful thinking.

It also makes a mockery of the private forums if things that are discussed in there are then started up all over again in the public section.

Just means there is no point starting a private thread anymore.

Also once everyone has made their point of arguement as they did in the private forums one has to question the motive for restarting a 2nd thread on this.

I suppose whoever responds and the manner in how they respond will probably confirm the purpose of a 2nd thread.

[Former Member 14]

It also makes a mockery of the private forums

What makes a mockery of the private forums are alliances.

Too many people down their have their nose planted so far up each others butts, that expecting a true perspective on any topic is unfortunately a pie in the sky dream.

Besides this issue is NOT a grievance between two private members. It involves players.

Unless they also hold GPWA private membership, they are unable to voice their opinion on an issue which may directly affect them.
That is the biggest travesty here!

If I was a cynical person, I may just surmise, your posts is a direct protest at this topic released to the public forums, for fear of what GPWA public members may say.


Cheers



Dave

[pompeyrayuk]

Dave
I have never had any kind of dealings with you whatsoever so please accept that I am making this post in a totaly unbiased way.

The way I see it is this.......

You were initially asked by MC how you wanted this handled and you chose to deal with it in the private forums.

It now seems that as YOU didnt get the response YOU wanted you are making it public. That to me seems that you have personal issues with the opposite party and are doing your upmost to discredit them.

Michael Corfman asked me how I would like this handled.

I chose to have this brought to the private GPWA forums.

My decision was based on the fact that it was a private GPWA member that had instigated this fiasco. So it was my view that their GPWA peers should discuss and voice their opinion on these events.

However although I am not at liberty to reveal what was said in the private GPWA forum where these issues were raised, I ethically and morally have no chosen but to now bring this to the public GPWA forums.

[Redbush54]

I'm not privy to the pvt forum but IMO since you chose to take it there when ask, I see this thread as turning into just another bash session. IMO you have no right whatsoever to bring this to the public. YOU made the decision for it to be handled privately so leave it at that.

I feel as a public member, I have to trust the decision of the affiliate (pvt member) that they will look after my best interests. If I have a problem, I take it to them and would assume that it would be discussed if I have issues and that those decisions would be made in a matter that would not only benefit myself but others.

As a public member I'm asking that this thread be closed. I for one am tired of the "bash sessions".

[Former Member 14]

Actually so were all on the same page, the suggestion was put forward that the information was either:

Released to Bryan Bailey at CasinoMeister.com or it heard in the private forum.

To save it turning into another 30 page + witch hunt, and watch as topboss was torn limb from limb, I thought at the time, it was best to have this kept in the private forums.

What I didn't count on, anyone who thought topboss had acted inappropriately (unethical) was set upon and torn apart.
I can assure you in ways and manners that would anger anyone with an once of moral integrity.

These personal attacks took on the exact same manner as what I wanted to avoid happening to topboss, if I had posted it up here.

The exact reason you are now giving for requesting this thread be closed.

Again I will say that if no one has anything to hide, what is the problem.


Cheers



Dave

[Redbush54]

But the point is YOU chose to take it private. IMO with that decision then to bring it to the public is wrong. You need to accept what was said/discussed in the pvt forum and move on.

[Former Member 14]

It now seems that as YOU didnt get the response YOU wanted you are making it public. That to me seems that you have personal issues with the opposite party and are doing your upmost to discredit them.

I can assure you and everyone reading this thread that there is no animosity, hidden agenda or any personal axe to grind with topboss.

In fact I contact BigBcasinos about what I'd found before contacting Michael. I wont publish what he said, that's up to BigB if he wants to have his say or not.

However, the private forum produced nothing more that a kangaroo court.

pompeyrayuk are you telling this forum that you are unbiased towards topboss?

If your are genuine in holding no bias, I'm surprised you are oblivious to the fact that both myself and another webmaster endured personal attacks. Why?

We both know you've seen the thread down stairs...

But just because myself and another webmaster agreed what topboss did was unethical, is that any reason to derail a thread with personal attacks, no.

But it happen and you saw it happen.

So as far as I'm concerned using what transpired and was allowed to continue to do so, proves beyond reasonable doubt that the topboss thread and issue would not receive a fair and just hearing.

Hence I've brought it up here.

In closing if people don't like what I've revealed, there is an simple solution, don't do anything that maybe considered unethical.


Cheers



Dave

[Former Member 14]

But the point is YOU chose to take it private.

No I didn't choose to make it private.


Yes I was given a choice BUT I did not make the choice on where it went...

Please don't attempt to reverse engineer my words and spin them out of context in statements your trying to manipulate as facts.


Cheers



Dave

[giggles7p]

Dave your the one who started the personal attacks on people.....christ you called every affiliate and webmaster that did not agree with you "unethical"....how dare you?

[Former Member 14]

Hi Redbush59,

If I'm going to be called to count by someone, like most people, I'd like to know exactly who is doing it.

I could be wrong, but I have the opinion that you hold a personal agenda toward me. And due to this your throwing anything into the wind hoping it will fly.

Why?

Well lets see...

You work for GamTrak, who has threatened not only to sue me but webzcas; CasinoMeister; MrRacetrack...hell the list goes on.

You were also busted over at CM for for standing up for Gamtrak over promoting rogues casinos. In fact you a head moderator at her forum.

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tml#post340555

Now maybe I'm just cynical but if you work for Gamtrak then you also support the promoting of rogue casinos.

That doesn't say much for your ethics or integrity

If you still want to match horns with me be my guest!


Cheers



Dave

[Former Member 14]

Dave your the one who started the personal attacks on people.....christ you called every affiliate and webmaster that did not agree with you "unethical"....how dare you?

This is the exact example of what took place down stairs.

I'm sorry but I'm not going to buy into.

If this was an unknown webmaster (not topboss) would you still hold the same belief....I honestly doubt it, you and most other would want blood.

However your arguments are flawed based on the example above.

Oh and while I have your attention....

Making personal attacks are one thing. However using someone's disability as cannon fodder to launch a character assignation against them, IS morally unethical.

As you obviously didn't have an issue using such an attack, I would surmise, your judgment calls on anything unethical or lacking integrity is fuzzy at best.

Cheers



Dave

[giggles7p]

You know what Dave.....Screw You!

How dare you call ME unethical, your the one starting the **** and calling people morally bankrupt, small minded, lacking integrity, so on and so on......

I asked if it was true that you had BiPolar syndrome in the private forum because thats what i read in a thread over at CM when you were in a flaming match with someone over there and you started with your mean, rude insults...just like in the private forum here......I did not "use it" against you in any manner, i was just trying to understand your horrible attitude and mean words, for which usually you are a soft spoken polite man.......something has to be wrong.....

But...like i said in private...if you are not suffering from Bipolar....then your just an "Asshole".

[jarvi]

Hi all,
... I chose to have this brought to the private GPWA forums...

Dave, I think people have the impression it was your choice to discuss it in the private forums because of the above, taken from the first post in this thread.

[Betpartners]

Dave as you know mate i at no stage said anything personal or abusive to anyone and while you never said that i did, just wanted to make that clear for those not having access to the private forums.

Also Dave playing the victim here is wrong, you gave as good as you got in that thread and are holding your own here so harping on about personal attacks etc when you were just as involved as anyone else is disingenous.

The issue here Dave is not the personal attacks and no longer the seaL issue, you know why Dave? because we have already discussed it and you had your supporters in the same way Heather had hers.

This new thread was always going to be about the motives behind starting a replica thread up for just public consumption.

Surely you must have realised that Dave, your an intelligent guy and not lacking in common sense and so i am surprised that you would have thought that this thread would be nothing but an extension of the first flame war revolving around this issue.

It is irrelevant whether the thread originated in the public or private forum, what is relevant is that this issue was discussed, opinions were given and thats were should have been left.

When someone, not just you Dave but anyone does not get their desired response in one thread and then decides to open up another thread to try again, they cannot really complain when they are being accused of being on some sort of witch hunt.

Did you really think that those involved in the original thread would not have the same opinion in the 2nd thread Dave, course they will, they are not going to change their minds no more than what you are.

You made your point Dave, but this thread has done no favours at all for anyone, if you wanted to keep putting your point of view across, you could have done, but instead chose to start another thread.

We disagree on this subject Dave, but we do agree on a lot more subjects, and i think we should be able to disgaree on issues without one or the other accusing the other of lacking ethics or thatthey should look in the mirror.

[Jamie - RateMyCasino]

Dave, I think people have the impression it was your choice to discuss it in the private forums because of the above, taken from the first post in this thread.

Thats the way i read it too, this was addressed in the Private area. The thread needs to be closed and people need to stop abusing each other.

Sheesh, Grow Up!!!

[pompeyrayuk]

pompeyrayuk are you telling this forum that you are unbiased towards topboss?

If your are genuine in holding no bias, I'm surprised you are oblivious to the fact that both myself and another webmaster endured personal attacks. Why?

We both know you've seen the thread down stairs...

But just because myself and another webmaster agreed what topboss did was unethical, is that any reason to derail a thread with personal attacks, no.

But it happen and you saw it happen.

I havent taken part in the other thread other than to say I thought there was nowt wrong with integrity right at the start of the thread 2nd or 3rd reply I think.

Im not oblivious to the personal attacks either I am disgusted by the lot of ya to be truthful and its something that you will a) never see me do and b) something of the norm here lately. But thats not the issue here in this thread.

The issue I replied to here in this thread was wether or not it was right to post private then post public was it not?

Like I said youve never done me no harm and you will never get reason too in the future.