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    Heya,

    I was thinking whilst I were doing some coding, I know.. multitasking.. LOL

    How can we fight back to those spammers?
    Anyone have an idea?

    I have some unethical methods to emply but I don't know if it's necessary as of now.

    We could always spam report all emails but it will not be enough.The spammers will be back with another email.

    What should we do?
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    OH I have a few ways and many ideas : some are legal but unethical ,some are down rite illegal ( but then again what are proxies for lol), some are just meant to be a pain for the spammer,

    Pm me with a messenger and we can chat on a more private setting

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    Smoking + Hakank = a small team, please join us to fight spam!

    Well.. Casino spam at least!

    Join our fight!

    (Use Tor and you don't have worry about your ip)
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    Fighting spam with more spam, mail bombing or anything that resembles that si not recommended, can get YOU into trouble and I would personally not recommend or condone it....

    I hate spam more than most....and in fact spam costs me REAL MONEY.....

    ....but fighting back with more spam just ends up costing others money and rarely does it hurt the original sender....and almost NEVER costs the original sender a dime.....

    Hit the senders in the pocketbook....

    Find out who they promote and discuss their marketing practices with the programs.....

    If the spammers continue to lose their affiliate accounts they will eventually get the idea.....and is the most effective thing I have ever seen done to them besides losing their domains...

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    Rick, I never said to fight back with spam.

    Smoking an I do have an idea are you in?
    It's not about spamming it's about shame an get publicicity you don't want as a spammer.
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    Nothing can hurt them more than losing their affiliate accounts....nothing.....

    Another thing is cause them to lose their domains.....

    Also, advertising their email addresses in plain text on a web page can be effective since the spam bots will find them and add them to the lists...(as long as the page the email is on is linked....whether it is accessable by standard navigation or not)

    You ask if others agree to what you have planned and yet you haven't stated what is planned....

    That's like agreeing to join programs without reading the terms....something many of us have done over the years but very few of us do any longer....lol

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    That's exactly some of the parts we have been talking about, I and Smoking.

    Rick you know that stating the exact methods to shame spammers will not help us here in the public section..
    Both I and Smoking know of ways to reveal spammers and we will apply those on the new project site.
    We will NOT go easy on them.

    But of course it's hard to tell here in public what we have planned, you're better off PM'ing me or Smoking to get a bigger picture of it all.

    No catches, we're all anonymous even when we do this.

    Think Anonymous.

    We are legion
    We do not forgive
    We do not forget
    Expect us..

    This time our target is Casino spammers who destroy our reputation.

    We're anonymous.
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    Well, caution needs to be recommended again.....

    If you are EVER wrong about the source of spam....and end up hurting the reputation or business of any legitimate affiliate that had his email/server or account hijacked....then it would be YOU who would suffer in the end....in addition to the wrongly accused person....

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    Yep, and that's why it's so dangerous, and that's why I feel that we need to be more ppl who can verify and doublecheck the source.

    So, all in all we need to be more who use their ways to check the spammers and when we can verify, then we can post and shame..

    I hope I get my point clear, I'm not so sober right now and don't think before I write.. (sorry)
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    Actually we have always tried to do that....

    We always try to be careful to verify facts...and not let accusations fly....


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    i get hit by quite a lot of spam for casino welcome bonuses etc. all i do is tick the little box next to the email and delete. it doesn't even take half a second. Just ignore them and delete, and don't waste your time worrying about it.
    I know it can be a pain but there is much more important things to be doing and worry about

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    My opinion :

    this is impossible to fight with real spammers - vps, multi ip, multi domains. Banned domain cost = 5-7 usd.And most important - casino spam bringing big money and its hard to find any well known brand which isnt regular guest in our spam folder.

    THIS IS VERY EASY TO FIGHT AGAINST SOURCE OF GAMBLING SPAM, but... unfortunely ... to fight doesnt mean in that case to have even minimum chance to win

    Easiest method ??? :

    1. create brand new email account, xxyyzz@yahoo.com
    2. register new casino account (best, if you have friend,sister,wife etc which did not play at casino never ever.
    3. make a minimum deposit using his/her cc and ... play
    4. wait ... check your new email wait .... check your new email
    5. after few days up to 2 weeks you should receive first spam bombs from spammers which shouldnt know your email adress or they are from Nostradamus family or ... they bought your fresh email adress from ... I really dont know and i will never say from casino - because really many people working online and many of them can be source of this very profitable information.

    Ps.
    last 7 days of my spam folder history :

    Joshua Cabe <Joshua@length-break.org>; spam with offers from (Europa Casino , Spin Palace)

    admin@spinnerpromo.com spam with offers from (William Hill , 21nova , Casino Classic)

    olivia@freespins-report.com spam with offers from ( Players Palace )

    news@mailfu.chtah.com spam with offers from ( 888 casino )

    OnlineCasino@europe.com spam with offers from ( Winner Casino )

    Admin@bug.burncomment.com spam with offers from ( Yukon Gold )

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    The casinos are NOT the only source of the email addresses....there is still the credit card companies, banks, utilities, department stores, survey
    companies, and every single company or individual that collects your email account is a potential source for selling your name.

    but... unfortunely ... to fight doesnt mean in that case to have even minimum chance to win
    Reducing the source of the email addresses getting out would be a big help in the reduction of spam....but the single biggest thing to reduce or combat the spam is getting the programs to work with us in stopping the spammers from profiting from the mailings....if the source of revenue can be stopped the incentive to perform the mailing goes away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by universal4 View Post
    The casinos are NOT the only source of the email addresses....there is still the credit card companies, banks, utilities, department stores, survey
    companies, and every single company or individual that collects your email account is a potential source for selling your name.



    Reducing the source of the email addresses getting out would be a big help in the reduction of spam....but the single biggest thing to reduce or combat the spam is getting the programs to work with us in stopping the spammers from profiting from the mailings....if the source of revenue can be stopped the incentive to perform the mailing goes away.

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    I have managed to keep my retails sites and my slot site almost completely spam free.
    I use an image on the retail sites and use the ascii code for @ on the slots site. webmaster&#64;mysite.com

    For everything business and personal I use another email address. That does get spam.

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    Interesting slotplayer....

    But spam bots recognize the asci characters and can decode most javascripts used to hide the emails as well....

    My guess is that you are really getting more spam than you think but your mail server is filtering a lot of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by universal4 View Post
    The casinos are NOT the only source of the email addresses....there is still the credit card companies, banks, utilities, department stores, survey
    companies, and every single company or individual that collects your email account is a potential source for selling your name.
    Very true. I found out through a contact at Experian (the UK's biggest credit check company) that they sell your financial/email data to casinos, some to speed up KYC checks but by no means not always.

    He seemed quite proud of it!

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    Sorry for a very late reply, been busy with fam stuff.


    Well, as all of you in a way are saying is that fighting back with "outing" ain't very effective.
    In my opinion EMAILING PROGRAMS have the same effect, the spammers do bring in a certain amount of players so why not keep them doing this BH?

    So why not do anything about that?

    All programs/casinos that DON'T care about us complaining will end up in a "wall of shame" How fun is that is it's a reputable site?

    I believe that if GPWA, CAP , PAL, CasinoMeister and EuroCasinoAffiliates join up in this fight these programs will draw their ears and look over the affiliates.

    Do you accept spammers?



    Some programs do accept this.. mostly CPA programs......

    I will from this day NOT sign ANY program that offers me a $$$ CPA..

    To ALL programs:
    SORT THIS OUT! Or we will take action, I'm not alone in this fight....
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    Well, as all of you in a way are saying is that fighting back with "outing" ain't very effective.
    In my opinion, outing spamming affiliates to the affiliate programs is the MOST EFFECTIVE way to make them realize spamming is NOT the way to go....

    Getting kicked out of a program and losing commissions for the players sent is a real wake up call for them....

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    Rick, so you think setting up a "wall of shame" would work?
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    We already do that here....right in this forum....

    But sometimes affiliates are not willing to send the headers to the proper person when needed, or the property being spammed might not be active enough in combatting the problem.

    Sometimes the affiliate that was spamming does in fact stop, and another affiliate takes their place and the process starts over....

    We all know why spam is sent....money....so hit the spammers where it can hurt...their wallets...

    I think many of us might be surprised how much effort a few of the programs put into trying to help reduce spam.....

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