Are you a millionaire ?

**Expert** · 9 July 2007, 10:20 am

I know there are some webmasters that earn 50k/monthly. With a simple calculation if they do this for 4 years, they have already earn 2,5m. Half of it for cost,living,etc. So there must be some millionaires here.

Count money in bank account + house,car,etc.

**Expert** · 9 July 2007, 1:21 pm

According to the pool, half of us are millionaire. That's good.

**rob3786** · 9 July 2007, 1:39 pm

As only 3 have voted I dont think thats an accurate enough measure just yet but will be interesting to see.

**Doolally** · 9 July 2007, 4:05 pm

Oh I wish!!

**kenonut** · 9 July 2007, 4:19 pm

Well let's see, with house (paid for), cars (paid for), money in the bank, 401K plans, retirement fund, stocks options, we are going to need about another $400,000. I guess I had better go out and buy a lottery ticket!!

**bleuze** · 9 July 2007, 4:27 pm

In my dreams!

**TheGooner** · 9 July 2007, 6:09 pm

Cars, TV and furniture don't count guys n gals.

You'd better enjoy them because they're value reducing toys that don't hold their value long enough to count as retirement grade assets.

A standard asset count might be :
House(s) (less mortgage(s)), + cash, stocks, savings and pensions.

.. and the way that inflation is going we all probably need TEN MILLION in order to live the lifestyle of the OLD FASHIONED millionaire

I can answer yes to this question - but no to 10 million - so it's back to the hard grind of the HTML editor for me.

**LiveCasinoPartners** · 10 July 2007, 2:22 am

Originally Posted by TheGooner

Cars, TV and furniture don't count guys n gals.
A standard asset count might be :
House(s) (less mortgage(s)), + cash, stocks, savings and pensions.

When Forbes calculates wealth they don't include your primary residence. I thought it was kind of odd.

I would like to see a poll on how many are millionares from their gambling portals.

**helpyou** · 10 July 2007, 3:11 am

I am not milionare.

I'll wish, but I think that one must rember always that the first things is the happy and the wealth.

I prefer to be poor but happy and to not have problem of wealth.
( the problem that there is no true relation between money and wealth ).

one questions more interesting can be : do you spend for you more 1 000 $ to month ? more 5 000 $ ? more 10 000 $ ? more 50 000 $ ?

**Don** · 10 July 2007, 2:10 pm

Right. How much are the highly successful ones of us spending on getting the higher incomes? How does any affiliate in this industry, or in any other industry for that matter, bring in large amounts of income without a large amount of luck (i.e. whales), and without spending huge amounts of money to get traffic. Depending entirely on organic SEO, in particular, seems like a sure way of staying in the lower numbers.

**Nandakishore** · 10 July 2007, 2:37 pm

Yes, I am, in Japanese Yen.

Nandakishore
Online Casino Newsroom

**aksana** · 11 July 2007, 8:11 am

Originally Posted by Nandakishore

Yes, I am, in Japanese Yen.

Nandakishore
Online Casino Newsroom

yes, in Japanese Yen I'm too.(hehe)

**MichaelCorfman** · 11 July 2007, 9:56 am

Originally Posted by Don

Depending entirely on organic SEO, in particular, seems like a sure way of staying in the lower numbers.

Casino City depends pretty much entirely on organic SEO, and we're definitely not staying in the lower numbers. But we do spend a lot on staff to develop content and infrastructure to produce the organic SEO results that we achieve.

Michael

**TheGooner** · 11 July 2007, 2:57 pm

mmm ... we've never paid for a link or advertising campaign either ...

**helpyou** · 11 July 2007, 3:43 pm

For Gooner :

I have seen your websites and they are of good quality and I think that you write good content ( one good startegy content ).
I think that you earn much.

However I'd like to do 2 questions :

how many time do you have one website of gambling ?

I think that your strategy, to not pay the links or adversiting, can be good but perhaps is not the better. what do you think ?

I think that with one good strategy in seo, you could to do of more. (more milionaire ? )

**TheGooner** · 11 July 2007, 5:34 pm

Originally Posted by helpyou

However I'd like to do 2 questions :

(1) How many time do you have one website of gambling ?

(2) I think that your strategy, to not pay the links or adversiting, can be good but perhaps is not the better. what do you think ?

Hi Helpyou ... I'm not sure I quite understand the question (1) ...

But if it's how many gambling websites do I work on ?

Then the answer is 6.

GoonersGuide.com is my original one (way back in 1999) and my main one.

The Labrats (Poker, Casino, Sports) are co-op ventures with other webmaster and gambling participants and really I don't do much more than a bit of SEO and a few blog posts (as well as looking after the finances).

And I also have a couple of hobby sites where I work on new betting ideas - and age the domains while finding a new niche to work on. These are low value - low rent sites right now - but are establishing as 3+ year domains now.

When I do eventually get a good idea - then they'll have a prepared home to start off well.

As for Q2. Whether organic SEO is the best way to go ?

I think it is. It allows the site to grow in a relaxed fashion and naturally find it's identity and niche in the marketplace.

When you're actually running a site as a business then I find that it's important to keep income ahead of expenditure - and keep each site cash positive each month.

Buying links is a poor return on spend IMO - unless they are high providing traffic links on a related site. But most of the link sales I see being offered on webmaster sites are artifically inflated PR vehicles with next to no traffic.

And don't confuse my unwillingness to spend money on links as a disregard for SEO. You'd better beleive that a sgnificant proportion of my time is spent making sure that we have the correct keywords and tags etc.

But again it's organic. Post the content. Tag it correctly. Create forums and blogs. Find your niche where you can have something interesting and useful to say. The internet is so big that you will attract a significant readership over time - if you have unique content and ideas.

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Having said all that I understand the business mantra of spend money to make money etc.

I've seen YouTube, MySpace and other social network sites succeed and make huge money for their original owners when they finally sell - despite not ever actually making any money during their lifetime as a standalone site.

But that's the current market value of truely unique and trendy new ideas. I think the "value" is over-inflated and that money will never be recouped by the new owners - but it is obviously a way to get rich quick - perhaps as you as hinting at.

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However, affiliate marketting in Sports, Casino or Poker is not unique.

Reviews, banners, links, clicks - it's all the same - and I'm not sure that a huge spend on links ever really returns the value for webmasters.

There are several VERY big affiliate sites that have been bleeding money since the UIGEA was announced and they've entered into long term link purchases and/or traffic programs and sugbsequently found that the CASH COW market of USA has almost disappeared - and they're in BIG trouble now - losing money each month.

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I'm not from a culture of credit my friend. I prefer to own my houses not rent them. I prefer to spend only a proportion of what I make - and slowly grow what I'm doing.

I enjoy "my job" working on sites - and am not in a rush to make 10 million tomorrow and retire - I'm prepared to take 10 years ... and enjoy the ride

**villa10** · 11 July 2007, 7:49 pm

SEO - content - blogs etc and imagination is the only way to go for affs in many many industries.

Do you really think that a guy doing web hosting aff, can compete in PPC with the big boys paying $20 per click?.
If in the future online gambling is 100% legal, will be the same for us.
Maybe some profit from the long tier PPC.

The trick is than in every industry, there's allways something that the owners are not able to do. That is good information, reviews, news, recommendations etc.

It is not a surprise, that the sites doing very well in casinos are offering quality info.

After all, in the ebook industry there are guys running a megasite to sell only one product.

**Former Member 14** · 11 July 2007, 11:46 pm

Originally Posted by TheGooner

Cars, TV and furniture don't count guys n gals.

You'd better enjoy them because they're value reducing toys that don't hold their value long enough to count as retirement grade assets.

That depends on the car. Say one had a 1969 Porsche 911 in concourse condition tucked up in the garage, that btw is worth around $70K US or more depending on the market.

Cheers

Dave

**TheGooner** · 11 July 2007, 11:55 pm

Agreed - alright 1969 Porsche's in mint condition can be counted ..

They are investments of sorts ...
As long as you NEVER actually drive them ...

**helpyou** · 12 July 2007, 5:41 am

ok, I understand now, Gooner

And don't confuse my unwillingness to spend money on links as a disregard for SEO. You'd better beleive that a sgnificant proportion of my time is spent making sure that we have the correct keywords and tags etc.

I like the table to page : http://www.casinolabrat.com/ ( http://www.casinolabrat.com/images/c...lts_100607.gif ).does it convert well ?
( I'd like to create one for olinexcasinos )

to be not too off-topic.
is this table help to earn of more ? and to be milionaire ?

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