Revenue Network Not Paying Out

[JackV]

https://www.yourpokerdream.com/fraud...ork-and-bodog/

Saw this - anyone else having issues with Bodog/RevenueNetwork?

Hate to see them welching on a major affiliate like this - could be a very bad sign of more defaults to come.

A notification from the brands.
After a thorough investigation, it has been determined that all accounts you have referred have been deemed fraudulent and in violation of our Terms of Service. Any accrued earnings will not be paid out.
As such, we have closed your affiliate account and will not continue with this business relationship moving forward.
If you have any other questions, please let us know.
We wish you luck in your future endeavors

I find it very hard to believe that every single one of the accounts they referred was fraud.

[Cash Bonus]

It sounds very dodgy. That’s what I don’t understand either. Why the hell would this affect you? Any players that you bring for them shouldn’t be held against you, because you have no control over that sort of thing. Don’t forget that these guys have also had a questionable past, long before the date of the link that you provided above.

[JackV]

RevenueNetwork has been a longstanding brand for years and is one of the biggest gray market sites available in the US. If they start pulling the rug on affiliates that's very very bad news for all US based affiliate orgs. Would like to see some kind of response from a RevenueNetwork affiliate manager.

[TheGooner]

Saw this - anyone else having issues with Bodog/RevenueNetwork?
Hate to see them welching on a major affiliate like this - could be a very bad sign of more defaults to come.

Do you have any details about this JackV ?

The website in the link you posted was (C) 2022 - and the site stumbles over all the "free money" issues ... while being GambleAware (oops) ... so it's unlikely to be a major affiliate.

But non-payment is still an issue - and is worth further investigation.

[MMM]

Yourpokerdream (user Jambo) is a member here, for almost a decade. I am not in poker niche but remember seeing the site and do consider him a serious affiliate. would be nice for him to share details.

[tufty]

They have always been the good guys, so this is definitely a worry. If the article is accurate, they have found a dodgy excuse to close the affiliate's account when he gave them a deadline. This looks like rogue behavior from an outfit that have been good as gold previously. Profits will be coming under pressure as players turn from unregulated to regulated brands and I hope that doesn't mean Bodog / Bovada / Revenue Network start seeing the wholesale theft of affiliate accounts as a way to bolster profits. They would soon get a lot of similar bad publicity online. As for the affiliate, he is obviously a serious affiliate but at the end claims he will be losing 'thousands'. So he can't be too exposed to RN. If it happened to me, they are my biggest earner, it is hard to estimate, but I'd be talking like it costing a million plus over the medium to long term.

[Cash Bonus]

This looks like rogue behavior from an outfit that have been good as gold previously.

Yes, exactly right! I used to work with these guys many years ago and they were decent and never gave me a hard time to get paid my affiliate earnings. They were worth their weight in gold. But now, they’ve really sunk to a new low!

[Jambo]

Hi guys,

someone just sent me the link to the thread, so I'll post a quick feedback.

We're still shocked ourselves. The only positive that we have not been working with them for long and therefore have not really generated a lot of traffic, so the damage has not been that big.

I can't really say much other than what's in the article in the news. It also doesn't make any sense at all.

It all started when we requested a withdrawal of almost $3,000. After it was pending for more than 1 week, we asked what was going on. The answer we got was that it was "Pending" because they found out that someone from our team had created a private account that was linked to our affiliate account. This is also completely correct, as we test always when we start a new partnership if the tracking links work correctly. Wouldn't be the first time that something is not working. Of course, the mentioned account has no activity, and it was only a test registration to check the links and to make some screenshots from the lobby, tables for our review and a deposit of 10$. Account was used 5min in the beginning and thats it.

So not really a reason to withhold a payment.

After almost 2 weeks had passed, we sent them another message and deadline for the 25th July, with the request to process the payment, otherwise we would be forced to remove all banners and links. After no payment was received on the 25th of July, we removed all banners and links from our site. Almost 2 hours later, the e-mail came that it was fraud traffic and that they closed our account.

We received no reply to our last e-mail in which we made clear that we do not support any kind of fraudulent traffic and that the whole thing sounds more than unrealistic. We had asked for more information about what kind of fraud that we can investigate it somehow and how it can be that all players were able to play all the time and were not banned since almost 2 months? No more reaction...

There are some very mysterious coincidences here.

1. First the payment is held back because of a simple test account?
2. How is it possible that ALL players are marked as Fraud Traffic and they could still play every day for almost 2 months?
3. How come exactly 2 hours after our deadline and after we have removed all banners/articles/links from the site, the email comes saying it is fraud traffic.
4. Why isn't there any more feedback when we asked about more details and why all players can continue to play all the time?

If this is really fraud traffic, the mentioned players must of course be blocked and, of course, no commission should be paid out in this case. This goes without saying! From the other side rake is rake and they earn anyway money, so they should pay for the activity of the last 1,5 months or block the player accounts and not let them play. But somehow also understandable not to pay anything for fraud traffic. But absolutely impossible that ALL players are fraud.

By the way, of course we had a Revenue Share Deal and no CPA, its important to mention it. We always think long term and never work with CPA.

My guess is that 90% of the players here are professional/winning players who are taking a lot of money out of the system, so this type of traffic was probably not wanted so much. We usually balance that because we have very high traffic, but not so much from the LATAM countries.

For us, the whole thing is a mystery. We have been in the market for over 10 years and our players generate between 1.5-2 million rake per month. We never had such kind of problem and we're certainly not after a few thousand dollar commission from Bodog/Revenue Network. Also we have no control over which players sign up. It's the job of the poker room, to makes sure that all works as it should be. If something is fraud, block the account and do not let them play.. It's that simple

The damage is almost $8,000, so it's manageable and not the end of the world. Nevertheless, such behavior is completely unacceptable.

Bodog is not a small name, and that's why it makes no sense at all. All what I can say is that other affiliates should definitely be careful.

In case if someone from the Revenue Network/Bodog reads it: Be happy with the few k. You lose more as we do. You have the damage and your reputation will suffer. Not sure if it was worth at the end to behave so. A normal communication and transparent behavior is the key for a successful partnership

[Jambo]

Do you have any details about this JackV ?

The website in the link you posted was (C) 2022 - and the site stumbles over all the "free money" issues ... while being GambleAware (oops) ... so it's unlikely to be a major affiliate.

But non-payment is still an issue - and is worth further investigation.

With almost 2 million dollar rake per month. Over 10 years on the market and thousands of active poker players every month, we are definitely one of the major poker affiliates in the world But most probably you have nothing to do with the poker scene, so you don't know.

But the question here is not major affiliate or small affiliate...... Such behavior is not acceptable and it should not happen. It does not matter, big or small. 100$ commission or 10k. Professional behavior and transparent communication should be the normal standard in our industry. Unfortunately, it sometimes happens in our industry that some people forget that. And offshore providers in particular are often thinking that they can do whatever they want.

[Vargoso]

Professional behavior and transparent communication should be the normal standard in our industry.

Unfortunately, this is NOT the standard in our industry.

[JackV]

Maybe an affiliate manager from RevenueNetwork can chime in here, as this truly sounds unbelievable. The reputational consequences of stiffing an affiliate for a few thousand is going to cost them much more in the long term I'd imagine - so I don't really understand why they'd make up reasons to ban your account.

Perhaps there's some better explanation from RN - as of right now it's really not looking good for them. Would love to hear it.

[TheGooner]

With almost 2 million dollar rake per month. Over 10 years on the market and thousands of active poker players every month, we are definitely one of the major poker affiliates in the world But most probably you have nothing to do with the poker scene, so you don't know.

Hey mate. I had no idea who the affiliate was - as I said just saw establishment this year and the "free money" promo mixed in with a GambleAware logo (which I believe to be one of their "verbotten" phrases) and ASSUMED it was someone starting out who might be breaching rules. So the question of who it was and how they operated was valid.

But in my defence - as I did say it was worth further investigation.

I know that you've said you had a test account there - which generated zero revenue - how many REAL accounts were there?
To generate $3K in rake I'm assuming it was well into double figures ??
And I also assume that they're from all over the planet and not a group of mates??

This sounds like an AM has found one registered account - made a bad call - and is trying to cover his ARSE at present.
I'll send a note to my RN contacts and get them to read this thread and make contact.

I don't know if it will help - as you said I play poker but don't affiliate much past any cross-platform players - but I am a reasonably sized affiliate with them on all four channels - so it should raise the profile.

EDIT : I've created a support ticket in their system for them to look at this GPWA thread and make things right- which will track through and make waves - especially if I keep it open as high priority.

[Jambo]

I know that you've said you had a test account there - which generated zero revenue - how many REAL accounts were there?
To generate $3K in rake I'm assuming it was well into double figures ??
And I also assume that they're from all over the planet and not a group of mates??

24 Sign Ups and 19 FTD in 2,5 months, mostly LATM countries and 15k NGR. Peru, Chile, Brazil, Argentinia, Ecuador but also 1 from Canada and US. And all this 19 FTDs are fraud they say..... In which universe is this possible? Makes no sense and all and as mentioned, they did not reply anymore when we asked what kind of fraud. And even if it would be the true, it's not our fault as affiliate.


If they reply again it is fine, if not also fine and we just close this topic.

[PROFRBcom]

With almost 2 million dollar rake per month. Over 10 years on the market and thousands of active poker players every month, we are definitely one of the major poker affiliates in the world But most probably you have nothing to do with the poker scene, so you don't know.

I don't know anything about this situation. I make no judgements about your business's legitimacy.

I can tell you from the line quoted above that you are not the type of affiliate they seek out though. "Thousands" of players do not generate "millions" in rake unless they are heavily skewed towards being professional players.

Revenue Network was the first "recreational poker network", and remains so.

Again, I make no judgments about your situation with them and am not accusing you of any wrongdoing.

On another note, the LATAM countries you mention have high fraud, multi-accounting, account-renting, and ORGANIZED shady **** going on with regard to poker. Perhaps those particular people targeted you to create their new accounts through?

In any case, it is an unfortunate situation for all involved parties.

[Jambo]

Totally understandable if this is not the kind if traffic they are looking for. We also have a lot of casual players and thats why every of our partner sites is very happy but LATAM are not our strong markets and our traffic very low.

Yes i agree, for sure in these markets is more fraud activity but its impossible that every single player is fraud. What they are telling is just nonsense. And a few players we know because they are playing at other sites and they are 100% no fraud.

They could say: Hey, the traffic you deliver is not this what we are looking for or whatever. All totally fine, but the way how they did, is not acceptable.

We will not die from a few k less. Not a nice situation and unprofessional behavior but it is now so as it is. For us the topic is already closed and the life continues.

[k-sg]

It's a sad feat