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[Roulette Zeitung]

Good morning in the morning!

This is your 1st thread in the exciting GPWA jungle.
Interesting puzzles and challenging quests are waiting for you.
This industry is more than a liquor store.
O.k., at least half a day.

I have not only a heart for silverbacks.
A Silver Sponsor can be also an enrichtment.

So what the bush drums want to tell us about your program or your ideas?

And before you give an answer don't forget ...



Leopold

[Robusto]

Platin is the place to be for every affiliate who loves to hurt yourself!

Happy (Bet) scamming to all of you!

[ThomasPLC]

Platin is the place to be for every affiliate who loves to hurt yourself!

Happy (Bet) scamming to all of you!

Hello Robusto,

can you tell me what issue you have, so we can solve it?

Otherwise this is just libel.

Kind regards,

Thomas

[Robusto]

Sure its just libel... If you think so get a lawyer and we will see us on court.

Just 3 things of a bunch, because i dont want to waste more time and money to people like you.

Players getting inactiv within under 2 weeks in the affiliate account while they still playing.
Highrollers which would costs you thousands changed to CPA afterwards.
Players raise complains because the withdrawal took very long.

I wish everyone who wants to work with Platincasino or Happybet a good business relationship and good luck!

And now i dont waste more of my time here. Bye!

[ThomasPLC]

Jetzt weiß ich auch wieder wer Du bist. Ich verschwende meine Zeit auch nicht mit Dir.

[Robusto]

Jetzt weiß ich auch wieder wer Du bist. Ich verschwende meine Zeit auch nicht mit Dir.

Thomas The Brain...

[Roulette Zeitung]

First of all: It would have been nice to give a response to someone who have taken the time to open a freestyle welcome thread like this one, like I did.

Well, representatives have to know for themselves whether it is important or not.

No problem, I can speak with myself about Platin and the brand.

Hmmm ...

I am a roulette player. Many players love to play the queen of all games.

A small arithmetical example:

Player Bob deposit 100 Euro and will receive 100 Euro welcome bonus.
He must wager deposit and bonus 25 times = 5,000 Euro.
But roulette is weighted only 25 %, so the player must wager 20,000 Euro to lift the small matter of 100 Euro out of darkness.

OMG!

House edge of Platin Casino for roulette players: 2,7 %.
20,000 Euro must be wagered.
2,7 % of 20,000 Euro = 540 Euro.

The player is running against a 540 Euro house edge to receive a bonus of 100 Euro!

So from mathematical view this bonus rule is 5.4 times higher than a fair footing.

Even for a slot player where the wager weight is 100%, the situation is unfair.

The house edge for slot player vary between 2 - 15 %.
Lets say, the slot player plays against 3 %.

Slot player must wager 5,000 Euro.
3% of 5,000 Euro = 150 Euro.
Still 50 % more than the bonus amount of 100 Euro.

Unattractive.

And for the webmaster?

Well, Platin Casino has no live games. This is very sad, because especially German speaking players don't trust in RNG.

And the Merkur (sun) brand?
It's the brand of shabby empire of gambling halls here in Germany, an industry that has proven destroyed the life of thousands in the last decades.
The empire have come into the line of fire of public prosecutors again and again since years!
Who don't believe it, I can give you the sources of a lot of official articles from serious German newspapers.
They are public!
Here's one example of "Die Welt", one of our most famous and most serious newspaper:

(Merkur Chain had allegedly cheated)

http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/articl...elt-haben.html

My personal opinion is, that no one should promote Merkur games if you want to look into the mirror image.

Leopold

[ThomasPLC]

Die Welt[/I]", one of our most famous and most serious newspaper:

(Merkur Chain had allegedly cheated)

http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/articl...elt-haben.html

My personal opinion is, that no one should promote Merkur games if you want to look into the mirror image.

Leopold

First of all:

We will widen our product range by the end of Q2 (latest). Live dealers are definitley something what we are looking into.

Second:

Naming "Die Welt" a "most serious newspaper" made me laugh. But yeah, probably there have been some manipulations going on. The issue was resolved and the people involved were charged/punished.

The article you are quoting is from 2007 - almost 9 years ago. Additionally this was affecting the gaming halls of Merkur Gauselmann. At this time (2007) there were no online casinos operated by Merkur Gauselmann and still isn't for one exception: merkur-spielcasino.de which is run under Schleswig-Holstein license and is allowing access only to citizens of Schleswig-Holstein.

Platincasino isn't operated by Merkur Gauselmann. The company that is running Platincasino is in no way affiliated with the Merkur Gauselmann Group. Platincasino is using the software and a wide range of popular and famous games of a subsidiary company of Merkur Interactive, called EDICT.

Gambling addiction is a wide spread problem. Platincasino is taking greath length to ensure players are protected from compulsive gaming behavior / gambling addiction. Players have all the tools they need in order to limit their game/stakes or even exclude themselves from the Casino temporarly or permanently.

If you want to discuss gambling addiction, this is the wrong thread and forum.

Thomas

[Roulette Zeitung]

"Naming "Die Welt" a "most serious newspaper" made me laugh."

That kind of attitude signals a lot and gives your appearance and reputation for the future a genuine boost.

"Die Welt" was founded on 2. April 1946, will be sold in 130 countries and is a founding member of "Leading European Newspaper Alliance". It's not my personal political direction, but I recognize and respect the value and performance of others if they deserve it.
Education is not a punishment.


"Platincasino isn't operated by Merkur Gauselmann. The company that is running Platincasino is in no way affiliated with the Merkur Gauselmann Group. [...] Platincasino is using the software and a wide range of popular and famous games of a subsidiary company of Merkur Interactive, called EDICT."


"The company that is running Platincasino is in no way affiliated with the Merkur Gauselmann Group"

Oh, really?!

"ONLINE CASINO SOLUTIONS MADE IN GERMANY

edict egaming GmbH, based in Germany, has been a reliable partner and specialist for high-quality, competitive online casino solutions since 1998.

As a full subsidiary of the internationally operating Gauselmann Group, our company exclusively provides the online gambling industry with the popular Merkur slot machine games."

Source: http://www.edict.de/en/

It's your choice, if you play with a logo, that has proven destroyed the life of thousands with techniques, that are so ugly, that everyone, who knows that fact, will feel sick. They proven paid political parties (e.g. FDP) to get an advantage over the real casinos here. I am observing these shabby gambling halls with the Merkur machines since decades, from 2007 UNTIL TODAY the stories never end.

The laughing Merkur Sun is the most unethically thing ever in Germany's gambling history with a worst reputation all over the country, not only by players.

Leopold

[ThomasPLC]

"Naming "Die Welt" a "most serious newspaper" made me laugh."

That kind of attitude signals a lot and gives your appearance and reputation for the future a genuine boost.

"Die Welt" was founded on 2. April 1946, will be sold in 130 countries and is a founding member of "Leading European Newspaper Alliance". It's not my personal political direction, but I recognize and respect the value and performance of others if they deserve it.
Education is not a punishment.


"Platincasino isn't operated by Merkur Gauselmann. The company that is running Platincasino is in no way affiliated with the Merkur Gauselmann Group. [...] Platincasino is using the software and a wide range of popular and famous games of a subsidiary company of Merkur Interactive, called EDICT."


"The company that is running Platincasino is in no way affiliated with the Merkur Gauselmann Group"

Oh, really?!

"ONLINE CASINO SOLUTIONS MADE IN GERMANY

edict egaming GmbH, based in Germany, has been a reliable partner and specialist for high-quality, competitive online casino solutions since 1998.

As a full subsidiary of the internationally operating Gauselmann Group, our company exclusively provides the online gambling industry with the popular Merkur slot machine games."

Source: http://www.edict.de/en/

It's your choice, if you play with a logo, that has proven destroyed the life of thousands with techniques, that are so ugly, that everyone, who knows that fact, will feel sick. They proven paid political parties (e.g. FDP) to get an advantage over the real casinos here. I am observing these shabby gambling halls with the Merkur machines since decades, from 2007 UNTIL TODAY the stories never end.

The laughing Merkur Sun is the most unethically thing ever in Germany's gambling history with a worst reputation all over the country, not only by players.

Leopold

Again: We are not affiliated with Merkur Gausemann or EDICT. We use the EDICT software, therefore we are business partners.

Never the less, I'm not here for discussing politics or the credibility of a newspaper with you or wrong doings of another company. Obviously you are in the gambling market and if you have doubts in regards to player addiction you shouldn't be here. But again, this isn't the right platform to discuss such things.

if you want to discuss affiliate deals or need some more information on our ads/creatives/landing pages or anything else related to our affiliate program, please feel free to ask a (or more) questions.

Thomas

[Roulette Zeitung]

Official statement of your tracking partner:

incomeaccess.com/platincasino-to-launch-new-affiliate-programme-at-bac-with-income-access/

"Platincasino offers distinctive and unique casino games, including FULL-HD slot games by Merkur Gauselmann, featuring the popular risk ladder"

"featuring the popular risk ladder"

Taken one-to-one from the shabby gambling halls ... and again we have the name of all names "Gauselmann".

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"I'm not here for discussing politics or the credibility of a newspaper"

You started to discredit this serious German company. Not me! Truth lies in chronology.


"if you have doubts in regards to player addiction you shouldn't be here"

"you shouldn't be here"

OMG! That says it all. You should not forget, that I am also a player activist.

"you shouldn't be here"

I am in this industry since the very first days in the late 1990's.
And you?!
If you want to compete with me - even on a specialist level - I'm ready.
You can also have some nice promotion with an article on my roulette newspaper about Platin Casino and also about the public behaviour of the official reprensentatives in forums - with 300 German speaking unique readers every day.

"you shouldn't be here"

This is a trigger for me to investigate, what is behind the bold claim of @robusto, that "Players getting inactiv within under 2 weeks in the affiliate account while they still playing. Highrollers which would costs you thousands changed to CPA afterwards." and "Players raise complains because the withdrawal took very long."

I don't know, if something of the statement is true or not, and as long as I don't know the truth I will not judge.

But I can judge about the behaviour of official representatives in this industry and saw a lot come and go.

An advice from an old man: The friendly ones, the professional working ones, the ones who think twice before writing, the ones who are not arrogant or belligerent, are still there - even after many years - in most cases.

Platincasino.com is licensed and operated by:

===> https://services.gov.im/ded/services....iom?Id=160015

In the footer: "All debts are enforceable in law on the Isle of Man."

Very honest, that you don't exclude the possibility of debts (with a no-chance-place of jurisdiction for creditors).
Even players and webmaster can be a creditor.
You should treat them well with kindness.

"if you have doubts in regards to player addiction you shouldn't be here" is (hopefully) not the ethical standard in this industry.

"this isn't the right platform to discuss such things"

This is not correct. GPWA is the leading forum of the casino industry and there is no difference between a program and the brand behind. It's a symbiosis.

GPWA must continue to be a place where things can be changed in this industry to the good.

If someone don't like the killing of wild animals and want to work as an affiliate for a shoe program, then it's very important for him to know, if the shoes are made of crocodile lether or not. You can't say: "The program is important but what is behind the brand (or product) must remain a secret."

The audience are no idiots. They want to know the full truth and - they have a right to.

My starting post in this thread was made without any closer look at your program or brand. It was just an idea to gave you some support, because a lonely sponsor area really looks like ... you know what I mean. Is was combined with work and investing time without any favor. As chance wants it so, ignoring that post and your unfriendliness showed me the right way.

Leopold

[ThomasPLC]

Well "Leopold", obviously you don't seem to be interested in the truth. You don't respond to my replies - you just keep swinging.

You seem to have a personal vendetta against the Merkur Gauselmann Group. And although I already said it, I'm going to repeat myself:

We are not affiliated with Merkur Gauselmann. We are using the software of EDICT which is a subsidiary company of Merkur Interactive. Merkur Interactive is a subsidiary company of the Merkur Gauselmann Group. Besides us using their software and games, we don't have any business with the Merkur Gauselmann Group.

MrGreen and other online casinos have the Merkur Gauselmann games as well - are they in your opinion affiliated with Merkur Gauselmann Group also? Or are they just business partners?

I already told you that we take player addiction to gambling seriously and that we are going a great length in order to stop compulsive players from harming themselves. Gambling should be fun!

You are advertising for roulette systems on your website. A friend of mine told me the best roulette trick ever in order to make money:

Don't start playing it all.

I feel pretty comfortable comparing ethics with you; why don't you run an honest website and tell people that it's very likely that they are going to lose their money playing roulette? Instead of advertising for "winning strategies" which are all proven wrong?

See: We are running a licensed online casino. Our RNG's are retested every 6 month. Our games are certified by an independent testing house. In addition the gambling commission keeps a close eye on every operator.

We are offering our product to grown ups. Players shall always play for fun and not for the money. If adults are willing to pay a certain amount in order to be entertained by us and the games we are offering - thats great. If they win while doing so, thats even better. If they lose the amount they deposited, there is no harm done, because they have been entertained for a while (of course the entertainment isn't as long when you play with high stakes instead of small).

And let me tell you that the Isle of Man has a very strict policy when it comes to player funds and player winnings. Player funds are always matched and protected - at all times.

And in regards to the newspaper fracas: I stopped reading newspapers a long time ago.

PS: "Die Welt" is owned by Axel Springer SE, the same company that is responsible for "BILD" - the German counterpart for the British "SUN". But sure, you can "respect their value and performance".

[Robusto]

Leopold, es macht keinen sinn die Zeit weiter damit zu verschwenden. Er selbst hat auch (zumindest in der Vergangenheit) alle Hände voll zu tun um sich um andere Dinge zu kümmern die dem PlatinCasino und Happybet Geld sparen...

Wie du selbst schon richtig gemerkt hast sagt das:

"you shouldn't be here"

dir gegenüber eigentlich alles.

4 einfache Worte mit denen man sich selbst so entlarvt, ist echt nicht schlecht.

Thomas, hast du dir das Geld eigentlich in die eigenen Tasche gesteckt oder war das damals nötig weil es bei euch sowieso zu dem Zeitpunkt gerade andere größere Probleme gab?

[Triple7]

You shouldn't be here... with that few words everything is said about this operator. No need to read all the rest this operator is writing.

[Roulette Zeitung]

Thank you @Robusto and @Triple7 for the efficiency of your posts.

Robusto, I did not realize that Happy Bet and Platin Casino are operated by the same people.
Thank you for the information.
Now some more things became clearer.
Happy Bet network with Platin Casino (!!!) have had stand 8b/C44 at "IMA International trade fair for amusement and vending machines".
Source: http://www.ima-messe.com/ausstellerl...JMbWgwYld3PQ==

Welcome Platin Casino
[...]
Affiliate Program Management:
[...]
>> Thomas Kalman, Affiliate Manager - Thomas goes by ThomasPLC in the forum

Public source: https://www.gpwa.org/forum/welcome-p...tml#post804442

"Thomas Kalman" = tk

Look, what I found today:

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email:****@iesm.de

There are 8 domains associated with the email field within Whoisology's August 2015 archive.

capcasino.com

book-of-ra-ohne-anmeldung.com

porsche-blog.net

porscheblog.net

happyaffiliates.net

platin-casino.info

platin-casino.biz

platin.casino

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Source: https://whoisology.com/email/archive_11/tk@iesm.de/1

Only affiliate manger?!
Look at the domain name list.
There is more behind!

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iesm.de


He is not only affiliate manager.
There is more behind!
He is also selling servers in Germany: ****

Do his customers know, that the man who "stopped reading newspapers a long time ago", the man who - as a representative of a casino program - gave the public advice to "Don't start playing it all." is working in the casino industry under the alias of a "small" affiliate manager - that is obviously not the full truth. Do they know, that this for a German resident is working in a legal grey area?

Do they know, that he loves to attack other people on the lowest level in the public like on his Porsche blog:

===> porscheblog.net/index.php/tag/drecksladen/

All these information are public and don't violate any rules or laws.
The public behaviour of this "affiliate manger" is really a disservice for the company and for the whole industry.

Now the reader have all information they need to build their own picture.

For me the case is closed.
With this individual this group will have no chance to get a good reputation.
I repeat: There is more behind this individual.
@Robusto is close to the truth in my opinion.
Don't forget my words.

-EOF-

Leopold

[Anthony]

Alright guys, there is no reason for these post to get out of hand. Currently this thread is not productive and is being closed for everyone to cool down. If there is a particular issue or question someone has please let me know and I can address it.