Late Payments Rant

[wonderpunter]

Today is the 15th, Every single casino that was due to pay before or on this date has failed to do so... it's ridiculous.. from now I'm dropping late payers to the bottom of the list and giving new programs a chance (which i rarely do). tired of having to run round chase and beg to get paid!

[TheGooner]

Today is the 15th, Every single casino that was due to pay before or on this date has failed to do so... it's ridiculous.. from now I'm dropping late payers to the bottom of the list and giving new programs a chance (which i rarely do). tired of having to run round chase and beg to get paid!

Really?
You're lucky you're not in ANY other line of business ... getting b2b payments paid in month due is considered exceptional!

I consider this sector pretty good - as I don't have ANY partners who completely miss their payments.


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And if your partners are doing well enough to owe you money - then I'd recommend keeping them ahead of "new" programs ...
Most new programs are are same pile of sh!t that folded two months ago simply rebadged to protect the guilty.

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How about naming some names - sharing the shame - and telling us who is letting you down.

[FictionNet]

You're both right 'Late' payments (later than promised) annoy me too, but I appreciate we get a great turnaround in our industry. Other sectors online get paid waaaaay later (seen Amazon's prog?) and offline, invoices can be 90 days or more. We're quite lucky really, though I moan about late payments as much as the next guy. Especially if the next guy is wonderpunter

[Triple7]

If I would drop every program that is paying after the 15th, then there wouldn't be much to promote left. For me, it's ok if it's paid within a month.

But to remain on topic.

What annoys me are those programs that you have to chase to get paid commission of months ago. Or tossers that start to bully about an invoice that was sent 3 months ago that the description has to be different or crap like that.

To name them: licensed Belgian brands like Golden Vegas, Carousel, Lucky Games.

[PromoteCasino]

I know that a lot of firms out there say they pay on the 15th or another date specified, but a look at the terms it will probably say something about being paid within 45 days from the end of the qualifying period. So could be worse.

[-Shay-]

Really?
You're lucky you're not in ANY other line of business ... getting b2b payments paid in month due is considered exceptional!

I consider this sector pretty good - as I don't have ANY partners who completely miss their payments.


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And if your partners are doing well enough to owe you money - then I'd recommend keeping them ahead of "new" programs ...
Most new programs are are same pile of sh!t that folded two months ago simply rebadged to protect the guilty.

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How about naming some names - sharing the shame - and telling us who is letting you down.

Payments are due in any industry on the terms that are stated. Net15, Net30, Net60, etc. In many other industries, there are late fees, interest charged, etc. for missing the stated terms of the payment.

Affiliates have a right to be upset when programs do not live up to their terms.

[TheGooner]

I guess people can behave how they want - but it appears to me that it is completely wasted time and effort - and can hardly make you feel good about the state of your business.

Attempting to whip up a frenzy, and claiming late fees and penalties when the reality is that you are paid within the due month isn't good business practice - it's business relationship suicide.

But getting "upset" and making a situation stressful to when you know that payment will be made by month end doesn't make sense.

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Non-payment on the other hand - IS a valid cause for concern - but other than Triple7 (who provided Golden Vegas, Carousel, Lucky Games) it appears that no-one wants to share names.

[-Shay-]

I guess people can behave how they want - but it appears to me that it is completely wasted time and effort - and can hardly make you feel good about the state of your business.

Attempting to whip up a frenzy, and claiming late fees and penalties when the reality is that you are paid within the due month isn't good business practice - it's business relationship suicide.

But getting "upset" and making a situation stressful to when you know that payment will be made by month end doesn't make sense.

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Non-payment on the other hand - IS a valid cause for concern - but other than Triple7 (who provided Golden Vegas, Carousel, Lucky Games) it appears that no-one wants to share names.

Why have terms and conditions then?

[TheGamblersClub]

I guess people can behave how they want - but it appears to me that it is completely wasted time and effort - and can hardly make you feel good about the state of your business.

Attempting to whip up a frenzy, and claiming late fees and penalties when the reality is that you are paid within the due month isn't good business practice - it's business relationship suicide.

But getting "upset" and making a situation stressful to when you know that payment will be made by month end doesn't make sense.

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Non-payment on the other hand - IS a valid cause for concern - but other than Triple7 (who provided Golden Vegas, Carousel, Lucky Games) it appears that no-one wants to share names.

I totally agree, and that is why I promote a mixed of programs where some paid in the fist week of the month, some in the middle and some at the end.

This way i can cover my bills and don't have to stress about it.

[Sherlock]

I absolutely do not care when they pay. If they pay. There are so many things - inside and outside of affiliate marketing - I have to take care of... Tbh I do not even have time to check the payments monthly. If there is a problem I see it later. I pay for that by promoting some crooks for free, but I do not miss other things, that are more urgent (other higher ROI moneymaking opportunity or gyokuro session in the evening).

This way i can cover my bills and don't have to stress about it.

I am in gambling and affiliate marketing exactly for the reason not to stress about bills. If someone is in this business and even after years has a problem to pay his bills, then I think that person is not doing something right and this business is for someone else. Right now this is a steep decline for everyone, so if this business was for so-so living, I would be stressed just from that, because this is not getting better. Better look for the second job and be stoic here. Money from all operators are just something uncertain.

Affiliates have a right to be upset when programs do not live up to their terms.

Yes you have right to be upset, but it will not help you. The terms look like it is some protection for both parties, but de facto it is just an excuse that they can do whatever they want with us. We know that. Our only power is the loss of their reputation and this power is weaker and weaker, since almost nobody cares about reputation. There is no point to talk about rights. The only rule of this world is that the stronger dog gets laid. If you want to have rights, you have to have power to protect them. Otherwise you are just losing the power by thinking about your rights.

[eenzoo]

Late payment sucks. Especially if you should get paid at the 25th. Nothing there at 28tj but you could enjoy 12% extra after a short BTC hausse. I guess they gamble too.

[Former Member 14]

If I make an appointment, and I can't attend the appointment, then I make contact and advise I wont be there. It's a simple courtesy...(strangely, that consideration for others, doesn't seem to be the norm these days).

We run internet businesses, and sometimes sh#t happens, as a result, late payment(s) occur sometimes.

However, IMO, the same rules should apply to a canceled appointment. If a payment run is going to be late (past the T&C's payment date), send out an email to affiliates advising as such. I dare say that would be a far better solution, than an AM having to run around multiple forums, putting out spot-fires, from affiliates who haven't been paid by the T&C's date.

Thankfully we have programs like RA, who, more often than not, pay before the T&C's date.
Program Managers like Renee, and AM's like Celia etc., your clearly an exception to the general status quo.

[RakeAdvisory]

We are still waiting to receive payments for July, August and September from Winner Poker. Unfortunately, not all brands are really professional when it comes to delivering quality services to their players and affiliates.

[RacingJim]

Having worked in other industries, I am very grateful that most in this industry are punctual within 28 days. Barring the odd late one here and there that has always been resolved, I cannot grumble about payments to be honest.

I have been in other jobs where we've been chasing a payment 90 days later and getting ignored.