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    Quote Originally Posted by Voids View Post
    My guess there is that he is on the phone and relaying info back to some and doing fastest finger first with a bookie that's live odds are a couple of seconds behind

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    Or just placing the bets himself? In play betting isn't allowed in Australia as far as I'm aware.

    Wonder if he was just placing bets as you would over here, or was trying to defraud.

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    Not quite sure what this bloke did wrong. Is it a crime in Victoria to bet on an event live if a bookie is watching it on a slightly delayed feed? World's gone mad.

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    This is the bit that made me come to my conclusion

    Victoria enacted laws last April against so-called "court-siding" where bets are made based on information provided by someone attending a sporting event.



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    To have a law that protects a bookmakers ignorance (because they are not there themselves) seems arse about face.

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    The article says "placing bets on point outcomes during a match" - if he is betting after the point is already won, on the point winner market then it's fraudulent, is it not? If he's just beating bookies prices on other markets (e.g. game winner) then it's fair enough in my view.

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    But the point is won in real time. If a bookmaker is silly enough to offer odds on the point even though it has already been played then I don't think their incompetence should be protected by law. That bookmaker could use the 'palpable error' rule to protect themselves if they are that incompetent - but to have a law protecting their incompetence seems absurd to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justbookies View Post
    But the point is won in real time. If a bookmaker is silly enough to offer odds on the point even though it has already been played then I don't think their incompetence should be protected by law. That bookmaker could use the 'palpable error' rule to protect themselves if they are that incompetent - but to have a law protecting their incompetence seems absurd to me.
    If they have a delayed feed (TV or faster), the same as most recreational punters, then it's normal to price it (though they should have enough delay on the bet placement to prevent issues like this). For me it's a question of taking advantage of information or betting post event, the first is fine in my eyes, betting post event is a bit more questionable. That said, from a quick look around now, I can't find anything that says whether it is or isn't legal in the UK (perhaps you know?).

    I don't think there should be resources spent on policing a specific court-side law either way. As you say, they should just palp it.

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    I am not aware of a law in the uk like there appears to be in the state of victoria. Yes, I agree you could maybe question the ethics of a person taking advantage of a bookmaker's mistake, but to be facing prison for it! Maybe I should volunteer to be the guy's defense, could do with a bit of 40 degree heat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justbookies View Post
    I am not aware of a law in the uk like there appears to be in the state of victoria. Yes, I agree you could maybe question the ethics of a person taking advantage of a bookmaker's mistake, but to be facing prison for it! Maybe I should volunteer to be the guy's defense, could do with a bit of 40 degree heat.
    I meant in general betting on an event that's already taken place, rather than courtside - but I'm in agreement with you, it seems OTT. Not as bad as the lad falsely arrested just for providing data to one of the data companies at one of the English games last week though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyPowerLuke View Post
    I meant in general betting on an event that's already taken place, rather than courtside - but I'm in agreement with you, it seems OTT. Not as bad as the lad falsely arrested just for providing data to one of the data companies at one of the English games last week though!
    was that the Cov v Crawley match on Sunday? someone got nicked there for betting related stuff

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    Even courtside it would hard to beat the delays built in to in play markets

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    Quote Originally Posted by Britbets.com View Post
    Even courtside it would hard to beat the delays built in to in play markets
    it wont mate, some bookies have a terrible delay and dont even know it. one is a sponsor here that I know about

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebookiesoffers View Post
    it wont mate, some bookies have a terrible delay and dont even know it. one is a sponsor here that I know about
    Get me an account with them ASAP!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Britbets.com View Post
    Get me an account with them ASAP!!!
    not sure if they still have the delay but people were clearing right up with them a couple of months back, some football matches had over a 30 second delay with what was going on. if you had a stadium feed you could make a decent profit until your account got blocked

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