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    First of all sorry for my English.

    I would like to share with you my experience within the last months and see if somebody can help me.

    I have a informational sportsbook site focus on betting bonus on Spanish market. During the life of my site the performance of my conversion has been modest but stable. The thing is, I have been converting a massive amount of "winning" players (20 times or even more than usual) to one specific bookie. And now it's starting to happend with another of the bookies I promote.

    One of the bookie has close my account for this reason. On the other one I have big negative carryover when it was one the most profitable.

    My guess is some group of bonus scammers are using my site for some reason strange reason. But it's just a guess.

    Any advice or experience is wellcome. I have no idea how to deal with this situation
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    Maybe you are pushing a free bonus too hard, or very high amount low margin bonus for those specific bookies?

    Pushing the bonuses will help with signups, but do not always help with higher turnovers.

    You stated that your site has a focus on betting bonus, by shifting more of the focus to betting and a little less on the bonus might generate fewer signups but higher volumes of betting activity.

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    Thanks Rick,

    The thing is I am not treating this bookies in any special way. They are just like every other bookie in my site. Before and after all this situation.

    I am going to be a little more specific. On an average month I used to convert around 5-10 players on one of the problematic bookie. The first month with strange behavior I convert 70. On february I convert around 200. Completely out of the blue. No more traffic. No more specific clicks on the bookies area of my site. Absolutely nothing. And of course, this new players are winning non stop.

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    Hi

    Switch your bookie...dont waste time and traffic

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    If it's not a no deposit bonus or other free things, it's perhaps not the right casino/bookmaker. Visitors that are looking for no deposit are usually no visitors that do deposit. A lof of them do click, do make an account and do play, but do no deposit. Also some casino's or bookmakers simply are not the casino / bookmaker your visitors are looking for.

    Like others say in this topic: don't waste your time with this casino / bookmaker.

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    I appreciate your comments. As I said it has nothing to do about giving priority or exposure to some particular bookie. Pushing free bonuses or some similar behaviour. My web has been the same after and before this situation.

    In order to fix it, I change the affiliate link of the bookie affected. Aparently it worked since I dont have more "weird" singups.
    On the other hand, I am speaking with the bookie that close my account trying to understand this situation.

    Today I cheched my statistics on one of the biggest bookies I work with. And... Surprise. It just started there too. A lot of new signups and huge winnings for the new players.

    In the image you can see the new players behaviour. All depositing same amounts, most of them loosing the first deposit but some of them get huge winnings. This looks like scam to me. Maybe taking advantage of the wellcome bonus. I really dont know what to think.

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    I'd check my referrer traffic logs very thoroughly to see if the site is ranking for popular "free bonus" search terms or whether the traffic is coming from questionable sources.

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    It does look strange, but also players do win but yes there does seem to be a suspicious pattern especially with the same amount of deposits.. Is the Bookie trustworthy? and do you get to see the names of the players? And what counts after all is if you are up or down?

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    Were you offering an exclusive bonus? maybe some sort of bonus hunters forum caught on and spread your affiliate link?

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    Looking at the results it appears that they are joining and depositing around 80 units (euros / dollars?) and then trying some sort of combo / accumulator bet where many will lose - but one account will win a significant amount.

    Although this would be a losing strategy normally, a good join bonus can turn it into a profitable scheme if the odds are good.

    This scheme requires co-ordination though - so it's unlikely to be genuine new players - just a rort. I suspect that it's a small number of people repeat registering to take the join bonus - it must be a good one?

    It's not anything that you've done - you're just unlucky that they've found the bonus advertised on your site and are using it for clicks.
    (Maybe they are using others as well - and not just yours).

    This happened to my site once (players from Ukraine) with a 188bet link and like you they registered hundreds of accounts - I alerted the bookmaker who appears to do nothing - and in the end just abandoned the account as it was a losing proposition (according the stats).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetbet View Post
    I'd check my referrer traffic logs very thoroughly to see if the site is ranking for popular "free bonus" search terms or whether the traffic is coming from questionable sources.

    Nothing out of normal.


    Quote Originally Posted by wonderpunter View Post
    It does look strange, but also players do win but yes there does seem to be a suspicious pattern especially with the same amount of deposits.. Is the Bookie trustworthy? and do you get to see the names of the players? And what counts after all is if you are up or down?

    I dont get to see the names, only IDs. I am going down big time. One affiliate account closed and two with big negative carryovers.


    Quote Originally Posted by JackTenSuited View Post
    Were you offering an exclusive bonus? maybe some sort of bonus hunters forum caught on and spread your affiliate link?

    I wasn't offering nothing special on this 3 bookies. The only explanation I have is some bonus hunters are using my links. Why? Absolutely no idea.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheGooner View Post
    It's not anything that you've done - you're just unlucky that they've found the bonus advertised on your site and are using it for clicks.
    (Maybe they are using others as well - and not just yours).


    This happened to my site once (players from Ukraine) with a 188bet link and like you they registered hundreds of accounts - I alerted the bookmaker who appears to do nothing - and in the end just abandoned the account as it was a losing proposition (according the stats).

    I agree. I think I am suffering the same situation you had in the past. From now on I'll stay vigilant and pray for this guys not to ruin more of my accounts.
    I talked with the bookies too, they don't seem to really care about fixing this situation...


    Thank you all for your help

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    2015.03.10 28 € 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 € 170.00 € 897.97 0.00 € 727.97 0 € 0.00 4

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