Moblie Casino Software

[casinoplanet]

I agree the Brightshare tracking reports are far from good, but not all Spin3 tracking is. 32Red and JackpotCity (both Spin3) have much better tracking reports.
Also Playtech mobile tracking is quite decent. But I think mFortune/LadyLucks offer by far the best tracking software.

I also noticed mFortune attracks much more subscribers than other mobile casinos. But I experienced that most of them are low or modest spenders. The high rollers I have are all on Spin3 and Playtech software.

Another big issue imho is, when promoting on mobile websites, the lack of cookie support. Many phones don't support it and if one registers at a later time, it won't get in to your account.

By the way, just forget to ask you about the BrightShare mobile casino daily tracking, are you happy with that as well?

[pstillman]

Just wonder if anyone can share some light on the average player lifetime value of a mobile casino player compared to a online casino player?

Have a great day

Peter

[Louis - Income Access]

Hi Peter

It's significantly less, though since no one really knows what the average life time value of a casino player is (this is hotly disputed), it's hard to say exactly how much less. I would estimate 1/3 to 1/2 the average player value of a traditional online casino player.

The main reasons why it is less:
1) people play for shorter sessions
2) people invest less money, likely due to less overall confidence

With that being said, I have seen a steady rise in the average player value for the mobile casinos we manage, likely because both of the above points are changing (more confidence, plus playing more as mobile devices get better, so people play in their homes and offices even though they have access to a computer).

[casinoplanet]

I agree with Louis, but a study also showed that there are major differences between online and mobile gamblers. Just PM me if anyone's interested in this whitepaper. In general they discovered that mobile is a total different audience, which is less willing to spend money. So there are a whole lot of fun players. But imho every fun player is a potential money player. I had quite a few players who first deposited many months after they had registered. I think mobile has two major advantages: first, all games are (unlike in regular gaming) free and fully functional and second, the huge number of users. And we all know that many a little makes a mickle!

[mobilejackpots]

Just wonder if anyone can share some light on the average player lifetime value of a mobile casino player compared to a online casino player?

Have a great day

Peter

I've never promoted an online casino so I can't compare. But looking into some player stats this month I can see deposits made by players who made first deposits in 2009.

[hohi]

Hi Peter

It's significantly less, though since no one really knows what the average life time value of a casino player is (this is hotly disputed), it's hard to say exactly how much less. I would estimate 1/3 to 1/2 the average player value of a traditional online casino player.

The main reasons why it is less:
1) people play for shorter sessions
2) people invest less money, likely due to less overall confidence

With that being said, I have seen a steady rise in the average player value for the mobile casinos we manage, likely because both of the above points are changing (more confidence, plus playing more as mobile devices get better, so people play in their homes and offices even though they have access to a computer).

I agree with Louis...and also...it is a market growing. So confidence will grow...but about shorter session...i think this might be a general property of mobile gambling.

Regards

[NickMartin]

The life time of mobile player will be much lower than the online casino player,because mobile player cannot concentrate on the game fully as he may get averted to some other work,whereas Online player will dedicated his time for the game.

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Just PM me if anyone's interested in this whitepaper.

Hi casinoplanet,
I am interested, please, submit via PM.
Many Thanks

[cassy]

I would recommend sites that are powered by Microgaming and Probability Gaming platforms for they are tested and proven by many players.

[bonus-map]

I would recommend sites that are powered by Microgaming tested and proven by many players.

Are you sure about the Microgaming mobile casinos? May be you mean Spin3? In this case, I have never heard that players like it. Besides, the mobile casinos powered by Spin3 have biggest wagering requirements (excluding just a few) in the net and poor tracking system; for example: ask Louis from Income Access to supply you with Ladbrokes mobile casino WAP affiliate links.

Basically, I think that Spin3 mobile casinos affiliate manages have no clue how to promote their product. Their paranoia about bonus hunters is forcing them to disallow casino games with elements of gambling skills from wagering the mobile casino bonus promotions. The classic games with elements of skill inspiring the players to use their brains not hands seem to be a problem for the mobile casinos management.

They follow the online casinos way of weaning off the bonus hunters not realising that they cannot offer other promotions instead, like Blackjack and Video Poker tournaments. What is left for the mobile casino players? Wager mobile slots! But the slot games are all the same, just different symbols on the wheel. You cannot use any casino games strategy to beat the casino. How long are you ready to wager the same mobile slots where you have no chance? How interesting would be the mobile slot games for the players?

My prediction is that Spin3 mobile casinos would gradually die if they would not reconsider they appoach to the players. Besides, if the technology would allow broadcasting the gambling session from the brick and mortal casinos (live dealer casino games), live dealer mobile casino games would successfully replace spin3 cloned mobile slots. Beleave it or not, but I think the players would be happy to wager at the live dealer mobile casino games without any casino bonus promotions as it would be ridiculous to wager in the spin3 mobile blackjack standard 30 times play-though where only 2% counts.

[rola]

I would recommend sites that are powered by Microgaming and Probability Gaming platforms for they are tested and proven by many players.

Cassy, do you promote mobile casinos?

[splinterfree]

interesting thread here. stumbled on it as i'm trying to catch someone @ zero36 by the balls since (they owe us a bunch of money), but they've proven to be very elusive. together with having the slowest affiliate admin EVER, i've come to the conclusion that they operate from a barn surrounded by sheep. will try contacting wagershare then...

as far as spin3 software goes, the bulk of our players are on these platforms. most of them are on iphones too. while i'm sure there are tracking issues with these, there are just not enough casinos to advertise and we'll have to do with what we currently have. brightshare and wagershare are ok with tracking. referback seems to also do ok. i have my reservations about fortune affiliates though, i think their tracking is completely broken and the lack of response from them (to me) is beginning to reaffirm this.

playtech mobile is not too bad, but player value is not very impressive.

stay away from advertising ladbrokes mobile casino. their affiliate manager admitted that players do not get tracked from mobile phones, only if they first register on computer and then login from their phone.

personally i have a problem with probability/wagerworks/igt mobile games. that includes ladylucks, blue sq and mecca bingo. they only allow UK players and there is no way to download the software if you are based somewhere else (which i am ) for some reason, this strategy is akin to running an online store with 9-5pm opening hours. much-retardo

777mobile is also bad. no payment. avoid.

cheers,
over and out

[mobilejackpots]

personally i have a problem with probability/wagerworks/igt mobile games. that includes ladylucks, blue sq and mecca bingo. they only allow UK players and there is no way to download the software if you are based somewhere else (which i am ) for some reason, this strategy is akin to running an online store with 9-5pm opening hours. much-retardo

Those companies probably don't want to breach any gambling regulations...

I know LadyLucks has a Spanish version called ringringjuegos

[Louis - Income Access]

https://www.gpwa.org/forum/betfred-l...ct-197088.html

For those who haven't seen, Betfred has integrated their mobile product with Income Access tracking, so this product can now be promoted through Betfred Affiliates.

The tracking works on the same technology that Income Access uses for web tracking, and it's quite reliable. We've done tests on a wide variety of mobile devices, iPhones, Androids and all sorts of traditional java phones and had very good results.

I encourage you to give it a whirl and see for yourselves.

[bonus-map]

Dear Louis,
thank you for the info, Income Access tracking is one of the best and as for me works absolutely perfect with mFortune mobile casino and mobile bingo mmmBingo. However, I would like to ask your opinion about Ladbrokes mobile casino.
Many Thanks

[Louis - Income Access]

In the Income Access network, we have not yet integrated Labrokes' mobile products (neither betting nor casino) with our tracking yet. The problem is that the tracking requires some integration on the backend of Ladbrokes and they have been caught up in some major development projects which have pushed back this integration. Trust me, it is in the works though.

[bonus-map]

Hi Louis,
thank you for the prompt reply. There is definitely no problem with Income Access and I can see that promoting your other mobile casinos.

But the thing is that mobile casino Ladbrokes feels comfortable getting my players for free for so many years. In the stats there is not a single wagering player, even a single sign up while mFortune mobile casino stats showing a steady grows. Ladbrokes mobile is located on the same website as mFortune mobile casino.

Can you be so kind to suggest, what to do with Ladbrokes?
Many thanks

[andreea]

Hi Louis,
thank you for the prompt reply. There is definitely no problem with Income Access and I can see that promoting your other mobile casinos.

But the thing is that mobile casino Ladbrokes feels comfortable getting my players for free for so many years. In the stats there is not a single wagering player, even a single sign up while mFortune mobile casino stats showing a steady grows. Ladbrokes mobile is located on the same website as mFortune mobile casino.

Can you be so kind to suggest, what to do with Ladbrokes?
Many thanks

Hi bonus-map,

Just to jump in here with an update from Ladbrokes' Mobile team. They do not as of yet have a fully functioning solution to go ahead with when it comes to mobile betting, as the tracking is not in place. We are in the process of following up to find out if there are solutions in the interim and how long it will be before this becomes available. Once this has been properly set in place and tested by our team, we'll be able to open it up to everyone to take advantage of. We want to make sure that we provide the same quality tracking as for all other mobile casinos running through IA.

Hold off on promoting Ladbrokes Mobile for now, just promote it in the traditional fashion for now, and as soon as there is an update from their mobile department on progress with tracking- we'll let everyone know. Thank you for your interest in mobile casinos within our network so far, we hope to have some fantastic additions in terms of mobile brands to promote shortly Very excited!

[bonus-map]

Hi bonus-map,

Hold off on promoting Ladbrokes Mobile for now, just promote it in the traditional fashion for now, and as soon as there is an update from their mobile department on progress with tracking- we'll let everyone know. Thank you for your interest in mobile casinos within our network so far, we hope to have some fantastic additions in terms of mobile brands to promote shortly Very excited!

Dear Andreea,
thank you so much for your reply. I must blame myself for being so naive promoting Ladbrokes mobile casino a few years for free. I beleived that Microgaming/spin3 is a reliable software for the affiliates and the players. But looking at Ladbrokes mobile and especially Zero360 mobile casino which is an absolute scam or tracking issues with all slots mobile and wild jack mobile casinos, I think new mobile software companies like cozygames or probability must take an advantage. Besides, I am sceptical about Microgaming/spin3 ability to deal with mobile casinos raising market. Microgaming/spin3 has become a big lazy elephant ready for the cemetery. They were good for the online casinos, but lacking desire and creativity for the mobile casinos industry. Their mubarak-gaddafi approach would definitely kill any desire to promote their brands. Three years ago I have met andre.au@ladbrokes.co.uk, I talked to paul.moore@ladbrokes.co.uk as well as to Andrew.Scott@ladbrokes.co.uk

all of them were promising the same:

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class="item0 rightAlign nowrap" vAlign=top>Date: </TD><TD class="item0 msgheader" width="100%">Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:50:53 +0100 <SMALL>[07/08/09 04:50:53 MDT]</SMALL></TD></TR><TR><TD class="item1 rightAlign nowrap" vAlign=top>From: </TD><TD class="item1 msgheader" width="100%">Ladbrokes Casino Affiliates <CASINOAFFILIATES@LADBROKES.COM></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Thanks for your email. We are currently updating our mobile affiliate
links. As soon we have any information I will let you know.

Paul

Do you think they are shameless liars?
As I see, you are very excited. Should I be excited as well and still trust Ladbrokes?
As I have said before, I have no problems with incomeaccess, but I think that you had to be more celective offering ladbrakes mobile to the affiliates as they turned to be shameless liars.
Many Thanks

[bonus-map]

Hi Andreea,
I just wonder if you are still "Very excited" and recommend promoting Ladbrokes mobile casino for free?