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    Hey guys, when i browse your sites in your sigs and profiles i see a huge percentage of "slots only" sites and just some really rare live dealer sites. I have to make a decision to invest more (money, time, resources) in a page, dedicatetd to roulette and card games only ... or even not!


    I would appriciate your view/help: Not country specific; can you tell/guess in what ratio slots/card games/roulette be played?
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    You should ask this to casino owners to be sure. What I've heard from casino owners that I trust and believe, is that most players play slots, but live dealer game do have a higher ratio of high rollers.

    A website about card games also needs more knowledge about the game as it's a bit more complicated than a slot that is just a PRNG with a fancy design to show players some results.

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    I also think that players that play table games can be more loyal, obviously when they think they are being treated fairly.

    The most difficult thing promoting some of the other games is the way the bonuses are presented, rarely do places properly present the bonus for roulette or blackjack, since it is often VERY different from slots, and the playthrough is usually much higher even when they do have a special bonus for table games.

    And worse, as an example, a casino might offer a roulette bonus, but if you leave the special landing page you will not see that bonus listed again unless you dig through the terms with a magnifying glass and hire a large attorney firm....

    I have found that many of the properties that do well with their live games understand this more and often have special landing pages with a more clear and easier to understand bonus presentation for the table games.

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    Roulette tends to be the highest earner for casinos. As Triple7 suggested ask some of the casinos you already deal with, that will help you decide.
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    I would suggest you to go for it and built some content on table games.
    First, there isn't much you can loose and second, you can rank a little faster for some keywords as they aren't used so much as bonuses or slots related keywords.
    That's my opinion because we have recently started developing content and investing a little more time on table games in one of our French site. The result isn't there yet but we believe that in the long run it should be much more rewarding.

    Although a lot of players do indeed play slots, they are quiet some of them who like table games, Blackjack, Roulette or Baccarat.
    Due to my experience, I know for fact that an average player who like table games will deposit more than an average player who only go for slots.
    You can find some whales among such players especially for those who like Live casinos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikew View Post
    ... The result isn't there yet but we believe that in the long run it should be much more rewarding.
    I think so. The most older affiliate sites and operator (seo) pages also focused on table games. It takes time, more time, content and some trustfully links to rank out. But probably it is worth it.
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    Dont forget, one whale with a lil bit luck can destroy your earnings - its better dont put all eggs in one basket.
    My friend start with 50$ and go out with 18k from blackjack table...

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    I dont see this problem. I saw some bigger wins up to $28k ... but first, i dont deal with NCO casinos, secondly a huge percentage of gamblers bring that money back into casino/my aff account and thirdly, you can avoid significant drawdowns if you spilt your traffic to a number of operators to keep paying your rent. So every (also winning) whales are very welcome
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    this is true...over 50% come back and play again...but better 10 normal player than one whale.

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    It is easier to earn money with slots as with table games. The average house edge for casino's on slots is 80-90%. Roulette for example is 97.3%.

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    As a non-slots player I am always fascinated by people who play slots. To me, every game is the same, they are just click click click, stuff happens, have I won or not. There's no skill = no fun to me. Even the fruit machines in the pub, at least they have loads of different features and decisions to make, whenever I've played slots in a casino they are just dumb.

    Therefore I struggle to write about slots, i.e. what is the difference between one and another except a different pretty design? What do you write about?

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    True. @realcash ... and i'm almost sure your slots related traffic is more appriciated then card game traffic.
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    @realcash, I think you are talking about return to player, not the house edge. Online slots have a return to player of around 95% - 97% on average, some are a bit higher. Most Netent slots and Thunderkick slots have a return to player of around the 97% mark. From the Netent financial report of Q4 2015 here is a breakdown of the gamewin per product: 88% slots, roulette 6%, blackjack 4%, video poker 1% and other games 1%. Just goes to show how popular slots are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    @realcash, I think you are talking about return to player, not the house edge. Online slots have a return to player of around 95% - 97% on average, some are a bit higher. Most Netent slots and Thunderkick slots have a return to player of around the 97% mark. From the Netent financial report of Q4 2015 here is a breakdown of the gamewin per product: 88% slots, roulette 6%, blackjack 4%, video poker 1% and other games 1%. Just goes to show how popular slots are.
    You are right about the return to player, that is what I meant. I do not agree with you about the slots percentage. I worked for land based casino's and the average slots percentage is far from 97%. Maybe online it is, but I find this hard to believe.

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    Yes, I am talking about online slots, of course. That is, after all, what we are promoting, right? You can check the RTP (return to player) of most online slots in the game rules or sometimes in the payout tables. A few online slots go up to 98% (Blood Suckers, Netent) or even 99% (Ooh Aah Dracula, Monopoly Big Event in big bet mode).

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    Yes, I am talking about online slots, of course. That is, after all, what we are promoting, right? You can check the RTP (return to player) of most online slots in the game rules or sometimes in the payout tables. A few online slots go up to 98% (Blood Suckers, Netent) or even 99% (Ooh Aah Dracula, Monopoly Big Event in big bet mode).
    Read carefully; the theoretical return is 98%. The real return will be much lower. Running an online casino costs a lot of money, not speaking of the affiliates who also wants there money every month. You can not run such a casino with a house edge of 1 or 2 percent, impossible. Maybe occasionally they put a game on the market with a payout of 99%. But just for a short time to attrackt players. The average return to players of all slots is lower then 97%, I am sure about that.

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    I don't quite agree with you there. The RTP is what is given back to the players, on average. A higher RTP will mean that the player will still lose his money most of the time (as the casino still has a house edge even if it is a bit lower), it will just take a little more time. The money that the casino receives (and affiliates) comes from the difference between wins and losses by the players. If a player loses 1.000 euro, it does not matter on what slot or casino game it was on or how long he took to lose it. His loss is 1.000 euro and that is now the casino's money (of which the affiliate gets his / her share, after deductions).
    I did not say the average return on all online slots is 97%, I said that most Netent and Thunderkick slots are around the 97% mark. And Netent seems to be doing something right in the past years, not only for themselves but also for the casinos that do business with them. I do not know what the online average RTP for slots is. I would love to know, if someone has that data please let me know. I suspect it will be between 95% and 96%. I agree there is a higher house edge on slots (and sometimes on table games as well, see double zero Roulette and 6:5 blackjack) in offline casinos . They need it more because their costs are a lot higher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RealCash View Post
    You are right about the return to player, that is what I meant. I do not agree with you about the slots percentage. I worked for land based casino's and the average slots percentage is far from 97%. Maybe online it is, but I find this hard to believe.
    Not sure about the rest of the world, but in Australia (NSW at least) they have to show the RTP next to the machine, as well as the variance level (low, medium or high). Most land based slot machines pay out somewhere between 85-88%. It's pretty rare to find one that's higher than that.

    Quote Originally Posted by RealCash View Post
    Read carefully; the theoretical return is 98%. The real return will be much lower. Running an online casino costs a lot of money, not speaking of the affiliates who also wants there money every month. You can not run such a casino with a house edge of 1 or 2 percent, impossible. Maybe occasionally they put a game on the market with a payout of 99%. But just for a short time to attrackt players. The average return to players of all slots is lower then 97%, I am sure about that.
    If a casino is audited by ecogra for example, you can see the monthly payout percentages on their monthly published reports on the casino website - most of them are in the range of 95-98% give or take. So the numbers provided by RealCash are legitimate.

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