NETELLER and Skrill backing out of 100 countries

[The Buzz]

NETELLER and Skrill will no longer be providing prepaid MasterCard services to customers in 100 countries, their parent company has announced, according to a report on CardsChat.com.

European nations in the EU and European Economic Area (EEA) will not be affected by the change. That includes countries such as Norway, Switzerland, France, Austria, Italy, and the United Kingdom. Countries that will be affected include New Zealand, Australia, Colombia, and Brazil, among others . . . Paysafe Group backing out of 100 countries is going to cause a problem, because many poker players won’t be able to get their money as quickly. Other common withdrawal options include bank wire transfer and Entropay, neither of which allow customers to have access to the money as fast as NETELLER or Skrill.

Here's a link to the entire article: https://www.cardschat.com/news/netel...ct-sites-35205

How about it, GPWA members? Is this going to "cause a problem," or will players simply use other options and move on?

[Sherlock]

[FruityJelena]

I heard it an hour ago, that's disaster. I use Skrill card really a lot

[Juan Roman]

Another bad news for this side of the online gaming industry.

I don't see why anyone would continue to use Neteller and Skrill now that prepaid cards are out of the picture.

[Syndicate]

If it was imperative that you had such a card - Structure a company into the equation from one of those countries which allow!!

Banking and money movement will become an even bigger challenge in the future, and finding a way around things is part of the game.

One such example is Curacao licensed bookmakers - they are not allowed to bank locally, so they structure sister companies from the EU into the equation. That in turn allows them to sign up with Wirecard bank who offer a wide range of payment options.

Just saying - where there is a will there's a way!

[Juan Roman]

Even if the cards were quite convenient, I will be able to do just fine without them. Just saying that it's a bad business decision for Paysafe Group.

I had put things into motion for an alternative bank account that I can use for incoming payments a couple of weeks back, so I feel suitably prepared for life after prepaid cards.

[Roulette Zeitung]

I wrote it years ago.

If this industry believes that they can continue acting the same way like drug dealers or pimps, if this industry believes, that it would have no consequences if every 2nd program goes rogue, that all this privacy data lists sharing, offshore tricks, tax fraud and money laundering will be applauded by the governments, then they have learned nothing.

Latest after the Panama Papers revelations everyone knows, that this industry in parts is nothing else than a pool of crooks.

This restriction from Skrill/Neteller is only the first shot.
Now the SEPA countries are the "good" countries for Skrill/Neteller.

And if this industry will not start a self-cleaning process very quick and remove all the filth, then in 10 years most of you can search for a new job in the real life, a decent job.

Right now all Bitcoins users are under the observation of intelligences. The governments are fed up of all this crime. Casinos and their programs cheated thousands of players and webmasters over the last decades, have stolen billions of Dollars from their playing customers and cooperations partners, the webmasters, and hopefully all this people and programs will be wiped off the map.

At the end there will be not 1,000 programs on the stage like today, hopefully only 100.
The Elite!
That's more than enough, because every program in the meantime is using the same live dealers and software.
It's window-dressing.
The same movie again and again only on different cinema-screens.

Leopold

[celena]

It is a disaster for all the players of these countries.
100 countries is a lot.

[Sherlock]

Another bad news for this side of the online gaming industry.

I don't see why anyone would continue to use Neteller and Skrill now that prepaid cards are out of the picture.

Skrill and Neteller worked b4 cards as well.

It has more limited use, but people were using it as a proxy, where spouses, banks and governments did not see their gambling habits.

It is also quite popular method between pros (=people who make money with gambling) like poker players or savvy sport bettors. It is being used for not declaring gambling income (ofc it was better with card). Not only for the purpose of tax evasion, but also because in many countries gambling is a grey area between legality and ilegality. Also moving money in and out of bookies/poker rooms is much faster, so the pro players need lower bankroll. Also Skrill p2p payments are/were quite popular, because players can send money to others out of banking system. Here Skrill went completely nuts. In the beginning the fee was 1% up to 0.5 USD. They raised it several times and now for non VIP the fee for p2p is 20 EUR.

I also bet that people in non SEPA countries are just a minority. Probably Mastercard pushed Skrill into that.

Right now all Bitcoins users are under the observation of intelligences.

Since I have a problem with logon/log off I had the "luck" to read something from GPWA tinfoil experts.
If someone here is under observation, it is people who use regular fiat money. That is the reason why Bitcoin has a value. To avoid the 3rd parties (like states) being involved in payments of someone else.

Skrill/Neteller was kind of like proto-bitcoin. Electronic money out of the system. That is why people started to use it even 10+ years ago. Same reasons, why they use Bitcoin now; but Bitcoin now is much more needed than Skrill was 10 years ago, because the level of surveillance skyrocketed.

It seems to be incredible today, but in the beginning Skrill (original name was Moneybookers, which divided itself from almost forgotten sportsbook Gamebookers and was used in Europe; while Neteller was much more US focused) allowed truly anonymous payments. All that was needed was an email! It is a good analogy with Bitcoin, where you need now just an address, that is also not connected to any real identity.

[Roulette Zeitung]

"I had the "luck" to read something from GPWA tinfoil experts."

There is a difference between real knowledge and financial interests. I worked in the German Air-Force with high-level security and know exactly how these games are running, yesterday, today and most likely tomorrow.

I was one of the first people in Germany who warned, that all world-wide Western Union transactions will be monitored by U.S. [also intelligences] before they will be proceed [on the "other side"]. Some laughed but later they stopped laughing. Today everyone knows that.

Bitcoin will be used nearly only for tax fraud, by criminals, by people from the gaming industry and to purchase "great things" from the Dark Web, including payments for animal cruelty, child porn, hitman, weapons and drugs, live torture. live killing and to rent amputated slaves [that they can not escape]. Bitcoin is the only payment method for this!

So everyone can decide if she/he want to be a part of the true Bitcoin universe. Bitcoin is perfectly created for criminals, not created to buy normal things like the real money in your wallet.

This "currency" is the most dirty virtual thing ever but FBI and other intelligences made great progress during observing Bitcoin users to infiltrate the criminal section of the Dark Web and shut down a lot of websites and jailed people, some got hard punishment, one life sentence [Ross Ulbricht from Silk Road [Version I]].

The governments will hopefully do anything against a "currency" that is the one and only payment method also for animal cruelty, child porn, hitman, weapon and drug dealers, live torture. live killing and to rent amputated slaves. Search for "Peter Scully" and "DAISYS DESTRUCTION", and then you know, who are the real actors in the Bitcoin universe.

You can close your eyes dear reader or say to yourself, that you will no longer be a part of this system that is nothing else than the #1 currency of criminals and target of financial speculations.

Leopold

[ocreditor]

Bad news for the for all these players.... conversion will be effected I guess

[Ozpoker]

Anyone received anything "official" about this from the Partners program? Can't get a response.

[ocreditor]

Didn't get anything official so far...

[celena]

It would be nice if the affiliates were warned!

[zalozite]

Hi, People from all 28 countries in EU will not be affected from this change and will use skrill card, yes?

[ocreditor]

Skrill & Neteller are same company

[Roulette Zeitung]

Hi, People from all 28 countries in EU will not be affected from this change and will use skrill card, yes?

This is the list of European countries that are still "good" for the card:

• Austria
• Belgium
• Bulgaria
• Croatia
• Cyprus
• Czech Republic
• Denmark
• Estonia
• Finland
• France
• Germany
• Greece
• Hungary
• Iceland
• Ireland
• Italy
• Latvia
• Liechtenstein
• Lithuania
• Luxembourg
• Malta
• Monaco
• Netherlands
• Norway
• Poland
• Portugal
• Romania
• San Marino
• Slovakia
• Slovenia
• Spain
• Sweden
• Switzerland
• United Kingdom

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It would be nice if the affiliates were warned!

Do not overestimate the communication efforts of many representatives if uncomfortable news appear in the sky. Some try to hide everything or as long as possible, and I have doubt, that some have the knowledge about this case, because many time is reserved for other things in the office like eating handpicked pralines from Belgium, drinking champaign and watching soaps on the $800 smartphone, everything paid by players and the hard work of the webmasters.

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Skrill & Neteller are same company

And working also in the shadow of the German Commerzbank, a bank that was filled with Billions of Euro by the German tax payers after the fraudulent bank-crash.

Leopold

[DanHorvat]

In September, someone smelled a rat.
https://www.gpwa.org/forum/skrill-ne...re-229077.html

Awful business decision that will affect conversions in all online gaming brands, because people are reluctant to use their normal bank accounts and cards for gambling, and with Skrill and Neteller out of the picture there are very few, if any, remaining options.

Lol just realized cardschat.com took the graphics I created (and credited the source). Thought it looked familiar.

[Ozpoker]

Still can't get a response .....

[zalozite]

As i know its hard to get quick response by e-mail. It better if possible to call them and ask your question, ok.