Number of players for revenue share to be profitable?

[acid2004]

Hi all,
I strtaed to run two websites as sportbook affiliate. I am currently, like many on rev share model.
May be those with experience can tell, what is the minimum number of active players needed to start generating income?

regards

[universal4]

With many many programs you can become profitable with as few as ONE PLAYER.

In fact, being a new affiliate you are MUCH better off investigating all programs you consider working with and be sure they do NOT have any kind of quota you must meety before being eligible to earn commissions or get paid....

Quotas are bad for ALL affiliates, but they hurt new and smaller affiliates the most. There is plenty of research here as well as AGD, GIA, GAP and others to help you answer these questions.

Rick
Universal4

[acid2004]

Rick thx for your reply
Although I think you misunderstood me, I am not talking about quotas but rather about what number of players must be registred via my sites to generate profit.
I have around 150 bettors refered, but still kind of balancing on the point of break even.
So I though from past experiences of others to learn when those refered number of players is usually big enough to generate overall profit.
Of course there are exceptions when you get a player who loses like 10k in one day! but I am talking about usuall statistics
thx

[universal4]

I did actually understand your question and brought up the quota part because you said you were a new affiliate.

Ever single site and affiliate is different, as well as casino/book players are referred to.

I don't think there is any magical number one can assign as to when it will be profitable for you, with 150 bettors I would say you are well on your way and it could be that you have a player or two that won a fair amount and that is the reason you are riding the break even fence right now.

Just keep at it and you will be fine.....

Rick
Universal4

[acid2004]

Rick
thx...sounds encouraging.

[jondow]

Hi there,

Out of interest, how long did it take you to get to 150 refferals? Im pretty new to this too.

Thanks

Rick

[thebookiesoffers]

always go for the rev share if you can, but you question is very dependant really. For example, the bingo section on my site hardly gets any hits or new sign ups, but one player joined up to one operator and they earn me between £300 and £600 per month and have done for about 10 months. when you start off it is very tempting to go the CPA was as it looks like easy money but look at the big picture and go rev share

[rknuppel]

Revshare for sure. And number of players really depends on the type of players you have. Big time gamblers vs. recreational bettors. Thats an impossible question to answer.

[felku]

Its also depend on the location of the players. I started recently to receive depositors and in one sportbooks I have 5 depositors currently active. The 5 are from usa and the max amount deposited by one was $200. They bet the minimum and I'm struggling to get near to $100.

[Voids]

I'm only looking to earn some money on the side, I work full time as a Trainee accountant (ICAEW), I've been looking at the figures and with an average loss of £10 p/w , 100 referrals would provide a steady stream of income. I would like to be earning close to £250 a week, by the end of March, however I wouldn't be putting any money into advertising campaigns Via bing/google.

Does this sound unreasonable?

[xecutable]

This question has no exact answer. It depends on the players, their activity and amount of cash they are willing to spend. For example I have a brand where 1 of my players plays with 1k+, so whenever he is winning all of my earnings from the rest 50 something players are wiped out. But it goes both ways, one night you can be -2k on the next 4k up from such players.

Logic doesn't play an important role here. I can tell you for sure that this big player came from a live streaming keyword, which usually generates people wanting to just watch, deposit 7 eur, and bet once a month. The guy came from such keyword on a day when there weren't even any games and started with 2k in his account. This defies all formulas and logic to be honest.

Nevertheless the more players the better. That's bottom line.

[davemerry]

This question has no exact answer. It depends on the players, their activity and amount of cash they are willing to spend. For example I have a brand where 1 of my players plays with 1k+, so whenever he is winning all of my earnings from the rest 50 something players are wiped out. But it goes both ways, one night you can be -2k on the next 4k up from such players.

Logic doesn't play an important role here. I can tell you for sure that this big player came from a live streaming keyword, which usually generates people wanting to just watch, deposit 7 eur, and bet once a month. The guy came from such keyword on a day when there weren't even any games and started with 2k in his account. This defies all formulas and logic to be honest.

Nevertheless the more players the better. That's bottom line.

That is spot on.

There is no minimum or maximum. Some of my affiliates have only ever referred 2 players and make more than people who refer 10 per month, just through being in the right place at the right time. My viewpoint is to simply concentrate on getting more and more players, keep them coming and keep improving your traffic. If your on a revenue share deal then it will pay off eventually when the right guy comes along.

[Voids]

Do any of you make enough to take this up as your full time job ( if you so wished ) ?

I know this is personal information and may of you may wish to not disclose your statistics, my aim currently is to be making £1,000 a month by this time next year. Through my estimates (rough!) it should be achievable, but with-out any prior experience within the industry, I'm going in a bit blind!

[davemerry]

Do any of you make enough to take this up as your full time job ( if you so wished ) ?

I know this is personal information and may of you may wish to not disclose your statistics, my aim currently is to be making £1,000 a month by this time next year. Through my estimates (rough!) it should be achievable, but with-out any prior experience within the industry, I'm going in a bit blind!

Yes, I could live of my affiliate sites solely if I wanted to... I did for a while!

Keep up the good fight, you'll only get out what you put in. Put in the day/night shifts and eventually it will pay off.

[xecutable]

I could point you to people that have helped me out. Send me a PM if you want to. Due to the London Aff Conference coming soon, you might want to contact them afterwards.

1k a month is realistic, given you are willing to put in the work and effort. Note: there will be many dry months where you might wanna give up and when you see 0 results. This is perfectly normal, so nothing to worry about.

[felku]

Do any of you make enough to take this up as your full time job ( if you so wished ) ?

I know this is personal information and may of you may wish to not disclose your statistics, my aim currently is to be making £1,000 a month by this time next year. Through my estimates (rough!) it should be achievable, but with-out any prior experience within the industry, I'm going in a bit blind!

Like xcetublesaid 1k is possible, I started like 8 months ago and I was struggling a lot because I was learning and made a lot of mistakes. Right now I'm making around 600 monthly. I'm still not in the 1k but now I know tat is possible to make money.

[joert]

This question has no exact answer. It depends on the players, their activity and amount of cash they are willing to spend. For example I have a brand where 1 of my players plays with 1k+, so whenever he is winning all of my earnings from the rest 50 something players are wiped out. But it goes both ways, one night you can be -2k on the next 4k up from such players.

Logic doesn't play an important role here. I can tell you for sure that this big player came from a live streaming keyword, which usually generates people wanting to just watch, deposit 7 eur, and bet once a month. The guy came from such keyword on a day when there weren't even any games and started with 2k in his account. This defies all formulas and logic to be honest.

Nevertheless the more players the better. That's bottom line.

HI xecutables,

can I ask, how can you tell what Keyword that particular user used?

Many thanks,
Joer

[xecutable]

Hey,

I have set up tracking via Google Analytics. Supposedly they weren't using Private Browsing Session, the click made shows up as an Event Action. Therefore I can use a secondary dimension, like keyword to see which keyword got them, in, country to see what part of the world they came in, landing page, on which page they landed and etc.

The plugin I use is Google Analyticator for wordpress or something like that, and in order this to work with cloaked urls I have made all outgoing links to be mysite/go/link and have put all site links with /go/... to be treated like outgoing.

Hope this helps.

Regards

[joert]

thanks man! Really appreciate it.

Can I ask, did you find it difficult to get any traffic in our first year/6 months without buying loads of links? IM a bt worried that ill go and buld a lovely big content rich useful site, but noone will see it, and I can't buy lnks like i've learned used to be possible wth google.

Thanks again, much appreciated

[xecutable]

Indeed I wasn't making anything in the first year and a half, but found someone from here specifically dealing with new affiliates and that was a turning point for me. Haven't bought links cause at that time, I was making 0$ but traded with forum members, was able to guest post around as well.

I believe if you build it the traffic will eventually come, especially if the content has quality.