Is this ok?

[Aaz]

I'm quite new to online casino business, and i have noticed very strange (as for me) situation.

i'm advertising one very famous casino for 4-5 months, and almost every month, at the END of month, i have withdrowals or refunds or chargebacks. Usually it was something like a 30-50% down, but this month i had a withdrawals for 110%! So, my balance went to minus.

Why does this going on at the end of he month?
It is not batched transactions, because there are small withdrawals/refs/chgbks that are coming whole the month.


Could it be shave or something like this?

[VPJunkie]

You need to tell us which casino it is before we can tell you that. There are a few out there that do things like that.

[Aaz]

Casino-on-Net

[VPJunkie]

Oh wow - I don't know about them. There are other members here who promote them, so hopefully they'll post here.

[Pam712]

I've only promoted them on a CPA basis - so sorry cant help

[Aaz]

All this situation is rather strange for me, because i'm working with Ses, and have interests in different online niches, but only here i have found that i can easily loose not only the money i have earned but much more!

So, if i have understood this situation correctly, if player referred by me will win jackpot for 1000000$, i will be in due of 200000$. I cannot understand, how all of you can work here, without any guarantees of recieving your money.

I don't want to tell that casino-on-net (or any other) is cheating, but how can i now that the money which i see in the stats are real?
In the adult business there are common practice of using 3rd-party billings (like Ibill or CCBill), so i can see all of my transactions, and if i want i can contact support of that billing and find out all details of transactions i was interested in.

Are there any services like this one in online casino business?
Or maybe there is a list of Really Trusted Casinos?

[Pam712]

Most programs are on percentage of casino win - in other words what your player loses. If your player wins say 10,000 your stats will show
-2500 (assuming you are on 25% share). Some programs wipe negative at the end of the month - other programs roll negative balances over so that you will have to wait till your players lose another 10,000 in order to have a positive balance again.

Another way of working is CPA - Cost per acquisition where you get paid for each depositing player you bring to the casino - this is paid whether or not your player wins or loses - but the drawback is if that player goes on to lose lots of money you are missing out on money which could be made.

[Aaz]

Yep, that's clear, but how could you know that theese -10000$ are real?

[Pam712]

Theres no way of being 100% sure. Talking to other webmasters, and comparing notes is useful - if a program is dipping the stats you can be sure it probably isnt just you who they are targetting.

Getting some people to test the tracking is useful too - if a player doesnt show up on the tracking then there is a huge red flag.

Most savvy webmasters who have been in this business a fair time know which program have dodgy stats and which ones are 100% honest. If your balance is constantly being wiped out at the end of the month, put your energy and marketing budget into a different program or work on a CPA basis

[Aaz]

Thank you. I think you're right, and it is a time to change casino.

Maybe you (or somebody else) could recommend me few honest casinos which will have good retions on SE traffic?

[Faust]

All this situation is rather strange for me, because i'm working with Ses, and have interests in different online niches, but only here i have found that i can easily loose not only the money i have earned but much more!

So, if i have understood this situation correctly, if player referred by me will win jackpot for 1000000$, i will be in due of 200000$. I cannot understand, how all of you can work here, without any guarantees of recieving your money.

I don't want to tell that casino-on-net (or any other) is cheating, but how can i now that the money which i see in the stats are real?
In the adult business there are common practice of using 3rd-party billings (like Ibill or CCBill), so i can see all of my transactions, and if i want i can contact support of that billing and find out all details of transactions i was interested in.

Are there any services like this one in online casino business?
Or maybe there is a list of Really Trusted Casinos?

and you think ccbill and ibill dont scrub ?

[DVS007]

OK - first lets get this straight. Your not working with Casino On Net. Your working with Tradal. Tradal is a marketing company on the island of Cyprus contracted by Casino On Net. So the question is not whether you trust CON. They are above reproach in my opinion. The question is whether you can trust Tradal. It is my opinion that you can trust them but I have limited experience to draw upon. I would say that at this point I have about 7000 reasons to trust them. but who knows these days. I guess the best way to judge an affiliate program is by how much they actually put into your pocket each month. Regardless of what the stats tell you conversion wise.

[Aaz]

and you think ccbill and ibill dont scrub ?

i know that there is few technics of doing this, but much more mild.