Online.Casino Domain Sells for $510,000

[Sherlock]

It is impossible that we will see 9 figure sales ever AND we will see newgtlds to succeed AND we will see mobile industry thrilling.

The value will either stay with .coms (I bet on that) or it will dilute into all new extensions.

And the domain industry can be very well killed my mobile phones and apps, where nobody needs domains. Also we can see fast growing censorship of domains which can in the end have impact on all domains (the censorship-resistant blockchain based domains already exist, but they are not needed so far).

Taking that into consideration I think there is max 50% chance that people will use domains as address for online projects in 25 years. The internet will get decentralized at some point.

Both you and Gooner made unqualified statements

I am not sure where. You quoted me only where I actually tried hard as devil's advocate with counter argument.

There can be many reasons for that, but it's still another good one. Not as good as online.casino, however.

There indeed is a reason for that, as by all other overpriced domain projects. The domain itself is not a money maker, it does not help that much as lazy people think. Why would they let it just be parked? Even without monetization?

Look at casinotopsonline.com, the guys sold it for few million right (I hope it is the one). It is almost as crappy domain as onlinecasinowow.com. I am buying domains up to 4 figures, not that much now. Selling some too. I am making money online. I did not see yet ROI argument for the premium .com domains. But I understand that Delta or AA have to have delta.com or aa.com. But nobody needs online.casino and the 500K will never pay off to anybody.

[Top Domains]

I can't speak for other domains because, well, they aren't what I know or look at. I can speak about these two however. Poker.com is a failed venture, despite being the being what it is... a 5 letter, .com, EMD. This should be an active domain with dozens of employees making 7 figures a month... but... it's for sale for a price that is just lol.

How is it possible to be that clueless about the value of a domain regardless of what has been done with it so far by whoever? Like I said:

It's just not humanly possible to be that clueless about the value of domain names, multiply that times ten for an industry like this. And yet, that is apparently what I have been seeing for years among so many in the forum.

Failed venture? Really? How do you know that? As far as I can tell it's just a great domain owned by someone who would much rather spend time doing some rather good artwork (imho), and probably still makes an income from it a lot of people would be happy with regardless of potential. And even if there was any failed venture, SO WHAT? That has NOTHING to do with the intrinsic and potential value of the domain and the kind of success that realistically can be achieved with it with "highest and best use."

OnlinePoker.com is not a complete failure, but I guarantee you my ****** 20 letter domain outperforms it for virtually every "online poker" related keyword, including "online poker" itself! This domain should be producing far better, and I'd love to have it, but it just goes to show that EMD means much less than it once did.

In case you didn't get the memo since years ago now, the best EMD does not, AND DOES NOT HAVE TO, mean you get an automatic ticket to the front of the line from Google like you used to. Like I used to even with 3 and 4 word ones. It now means you still have to have some decent content. The VALUE has NOTHING to do with whether Google winks and lets you cut to the front of the line even if you have a garbage site. Drum roll, wait for it: the VALUE has to do with the highest and best use potential; combined with the top-of-mind authoritative quality of the keyword(s) involved; combined with the advantages of being ".com" (or sometimes ccTLD); combined with both search traffic (including for the domain itself, an automatic huge advantage) AND type in traffic. "OnlinePoker.com" wins automatically as the #2 possible poker domain, hands down, REGARDLESS of whether its current holder is using it well or is just happy to make what they think is an acceptable income stream when they could be doing much better. Hello?

They aren't serious about selling it. I have emailed them multiple times, from four different email addresses/domains. Not once have they replied.

Maybe because...they felt you were a total lowballer and didn't even want to waste any time? Just a guess.

Quite frankly... LMFAO! $20 million isn't going to happen. Not until Zimbabwe-like inflation hits the US dollar.

Right, you think that (unless you are just play acting to lower the owner's expectations), because you are clueless about that domain, plain and simple. $20 million is not only worth it, but would be a gift to any buyer for that domain. And all the great famous world class poker companies we are all familiar with know it.

[Top Domains]

It is impossible that we will see 9 figure sales ever AND we will see newgtlds to succeed AND we will see mobile industry thrilling.

What? Did you even read my post? Did I not make myself clear that almost everything in the "new gTLD" world is rubbish in my very humble opinion? And "mobile industry thrilling"? I realize English is probably not your first language, but I have no idea what that means. Or do you think I said anything in support of the laughable .mobi even though only Gooner mentioned that one? And finally, 9 figure sales impossible? You think so, ay? Do you not understand that it is common knowledge that there have been many unreported domain sales kept secret and even legally bound under NDA (non-disclosure agreement), possibly a vast iceberg under the tip of every domain sale that has ever been reported and known to the public? For all we know, 9 figures has already happened, especially when you are talking about installment plans, such as 10 years or 20 years. WE ALREADY only recently discovered a $90 million domain sale that no one ever knew about while publishing "top sales" lists for years that were never even anywhere close to that.

The value will either stay with .coms (I bet on that) or it will dilute into all new extensions.

I'll save you the trouble of speculating: the ship has sailed already. .Com and ccTLDs started on top, and years later now that's where they remain.

And the domain industry can be very well killed my mobile phones and apps, where nobody needs domains.

No, the ship has sailed already for that too, just another "sky is falling" myth. Remember the one about how email itself was going extinct? Oops!

Also we can see fast growing censorship of domains which can in the end have impact on all domains (the censorship-resistant blockchain based domains already exist, but they are not needed so far).

That is not accurate. There is no "fast growing censorship of domains." There is fast growing censorship of real people and organizations on privately held online platforms like YouTube, Twitter and Facebook. Do you know what that means when such platforms can decide to do that whenever they want? HAVING A DOMAIN IS 1 BILLION TIMES MORE VALUABLE AND IMPORTANT THAN YOU KNEW BEFORE THIS STARTED HAPPENING. I don't know what country you are from or where you are, but this will be a famous name to Americans in the US, even though the "mainstream media" may virtually never even mention him and pretend he doesn't exist. Do you think this guy who publishes on his own domain has any concern about this "fast growing censorship" on Twitter, YouTube and Facebook(?):

Drudge Report Passes New York Times in Web Traffic and Engagement in First Half of 2018

With just a fraction of the overhead costs of legacy media competitors, Drudge is currently the 41st most visited website, according to SimilarWeb, just above Hulu, which is 43rd.

Taking that into consideration I think there is max 50% chance that people will use domains as address for online projects in 25 years. The internet will get decentralized at some point.

Keep dreaming. If anything it will get more centralized. "Government" will never stand for all this lovely "decentralization" beyond its control people are celebrating and pursuing. As for domains and DNS, there is no realistic expectation of any such thing on the horizon. Whatever happens will happen - some day.

I am not sure where. You quoted me only where I actually tried hard as devil's advocate with counter argument.

I simply quoted exactly what you said. It was reasonable for me to infer you might be referring to domains in general based on what you wrote. You indicated afterward that is not so. Case closed.

Why would they let it just be parked? Even without monetization?

Everyone is different with different strengths and weaknesses. Not everyone is either able or even willing to do what people here do. Some people are perfectly happy to make whatever parking income they can until a sale, to lease a domain out, etc. But if you own undeveloped land in the middle of Manhattan that is worth $1 billion, it is still worth $1 billion regardless of whether the owner is doing much with it.

Look at [*****the domain you mentioned*****]

Really? Do I have to? I might throw up, though, as that is one of the worst and most ridiculous industry domains I have ever seen.

the guys sold it for few million right (I hope it is the one). It is almost as crappy domain as onlinecasinowow.com.

Sherlock, I'm thinking you must not be thinking of the right one, because that one is just horrific and worthless. No sane person paid a few million for it in any legitimate deal. Or did they? "Say it ain't so..."

I did not see yet ROI argument for the premium .com domains.

You honestly would have to be living under a rock for years now and among the most uninformed persons on the face of the earth about domain names then, because virtually the whole world beyond this forum, and no doubt many in this forum, know otherwise about that and have for pretty much decades now. Seriously, it's embarrassing to even have to say that it's "common knowledge" and you'd have to be living under a rock not to know. You guys are punking me, right? Just admit it.

[Cash Bonus]

You get the most basic of domain names selling for even the craziest of prices. Casino.com and Slots.com are both worth $5.5 million each.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...e_domain_names

[universal4]

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Please direct posts that are directed at a single member in private using the PM system.
Anyone needing to sell domain names or sites, you may list them for sale in the following forum.
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Rick
Universal4

[Top Domains]

You get the most basic of domain names selling for even the craziest of prices. Casino.com and Slots.com are both worth $5.5 million each.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...e_domain_names

Hi vtyunby65. $5.5 million was an absolute steal for Casino.com. I regard that to be a 9 figure domain, at least involving a 10 - 20+ year or so payment plan if not all upfront. 8 figures would be the minimum, and a bargain. The fact that Slots.com also sold for $5.5 million is in my opinion almost certainly a partial recognition of what a massive bargain $5.5 million was for Casino.com to begin with. As far as I'm concerned Slots.com is also an 8 figure minimum or 9 figure domain as well. Especially as correction is now firmly underway in the US, and regardless of how well they are being used now, or even if they weren't even being used yet now at all (as in that $ billion undeveloped land in the middle of Manhattan I alluded to earlier).

The "most expensive" list you posted is actually incomplete. The most expensive domain-name-only sale that has been discovered happens to have a very strong connection to gambling, though it pretty much covers most everything else people like as well. The most expensive domain sale that is known was $90 million for LasVegas.com over 35 years. And reminder: all we know about when it comes to the most expensive domain sales are exactly that - only what we know about. The collective "we" didn't even uncover the $90 million sale for LasVegas.com until long after it occurred and long after people had already been publishing various lists of the "most expensive domain sales" without it.

But wait - did I really just say $90 million is the most expensive domain sale that has become known and discovered? Well, yes I did - but not really. Time to contradict myself (gladly), as there is more...

The most expensive domain sale known was actually for $872,320,000. Yes that's right - almost $900 million. And that crown belongs to Cars.com. You can read about it here (no association with that site):

The Cars.com Domain Name is Valued at $872 Million?! Really?! (The Definitive Guide to the World's Largest Domain Sale)

"But that's impossible!" you say. Well, I'm afraid it's not, and it makes perfect sense, for all the reasons I already raised earlier and more. And here's why, among other things, it makes such perfect sense:

Hold on, even after taking a deep dive into what drives the price of cars.com, a value of $872 million still seems really high for just a domain name, right?

Well, no, not when you consider just how much automakers spend on advertising each year. Cars sales and particularly car sales advertising is a megamillion-dollar business. With the most premium domain name in the industry, it’s no wonder that the valuation for cars.com sits at well over $800 million.

Take a look at some of the annual ad spending by the top automakers in 2015:



As you can see from Ford and GM, each company’s total yearly ad spending was more than quadruple the valuation of the domain cars.com, and up over 8 percent from the previous year, signalling a huge amount of potential for Cars.com.

Summary

Given the staggering annual spend on advertising, the frequency of internet searches for “cars” and the indefinite life-span of the domain name, it starts to become clear why cars.com is valued at a mega $872 million.

And all that still only leaves us with...

Only the domain sales that have ever become known and discovered yet.

[shahidullah]

How many traffic on this Online.Casino website ?

[ocreditor]

A total waste of 500K

[Sherlock]

A total waste of a debate. Using valuation of a domain of a project that goes to IPO, where just part of the project is the domain. That domain gained value, only because the project was successful. The domain and project blend together. Nobody paid the money for cars.com. This is beyond ridiculous.

I guess when/if bet365 gets sold we might see a first domain sale of 10 or even 11 figures! And the domain was just for 10K few years ago. That will be something! 12 figure domain sales just around the corner.

Ok, let's talk about facebook.com domain as well. Value roughly 1/2 trillion. If half of the value of cars.com project was the domain, then we can easily assume that half of the value of Facebook is the domain as well. So nobody has to be surprised to see a domain sale for something like 250 billion USD. And that will be even cheap I guess.

Car/real estate/domain/altcoin sellers should stay with selling packages of nothing, because I admit, they are good at it. But just seeing their "arguments" hurts.

[Top Domains]

A total waste of a debate.

You are definitely right about that. You are a person who is in such bizarre and inexplicable denial about the value of premium .com domains while the entire world of business outside this forum and many in this forum have known otherwise for literally almost 20 years or more, and you are embarrassing yourself accordingly. If you wish to call this a "debate" then you have already been totally demolished beyond all rescuing and yet you still pretend (or worse, even believe?) otherwise. That kind of behavior and attitude is so well known when someone has already lost a "debate" that I have even seen a Facebook meme about it. You asked me not to put words in your mouth when I did not, and yet you have been putting words in my mouth including right here now. Simply put, you are just not making any sense. Even our host Michael Corfman knows a thing or two about the value of premium .com domains and has even written in this forum before about how he sold one or two himself for a substantial sum in the past.

Using valuation of a domain of a project that goes to IPO, where just part of the project is the domain. That domain gained value, only because the project was successful. The domain and project blend together. Nobody paid the money for cars.com. This is beyond ridiculous.

Yes, it is "beyond ridiculous" when you engage in the fallacy of building a straw man and then proceed to knock it down. Nobody is pinning any argument or truth on the example of cars.com, and I almost didn't even mention that one in fact, nor does anyone need to. You can quibble about the actual worth of that domain in dollar amount, but if you do not understand that a domain like cars.com is one of the most valuable in the world on its own even prior to any use at all then you once again demonstrate you have been living under a rock and know absolutely nothing about the value of domain names that the rest of the world and many in this forum know and have known all these years. Even if you do not like this example, it is important to point out, however, that a value of almost $900 million was assigned to the domain alone. Surely the people involved in this deal know something about that. Moreover, when you consider the cost of just the top five car companies mentioned in the example alone exceeding $11 billion total in advertising expenditure, it simply makes sense from a purely rational perspective that a domain like cars.com would be considered immensely valuable by itself regardless of what dollar amount of value you want to argue about. But you have made it clear such common sense notions do not mean anything you.

Additionally, cars.com is never published among lists of highest domain sales precisely because those involved in the domain industry already know it is not a "pure" example of a domain-only sale, so nobody is trying to make it out to be anything by which you apparently believe you can call into question the value of premium .com domains at all and in general. But it is certainly an interesting and relevant example nonetheless.

So speaking of "pretending" then, we can simply pretend I never even mentioned the example of cars.com at all, ever. As the song says, it's easy if you try. You are still left with the vast abundance of simple ordinary truth everyone else knows about premium .com values to business, the actual testimonies of those in business who have invested in premium .coms and reaped the rewards which they affirm resulted directly from it, and in contrast to $872.3 million for cars.com you are still left with the comparatively humble $90 million example of LasVegas.com as a pure domain sale. Not too shabby by any stretch, and once again only what we know and have discovered yet. But if you still want to cling to being argumentative about that one and the 35 year installment arrangement for it, no problem, you can just do a simple financial calculation to compensate for that 35 year period.

I guess when/if bet365 gets sold we might see a first domain sale of 10 or even 11 figures! And the domain was just for 10K few years ago. That will be something! 12 figure domain sales just around the corner.

Ok, let's talk about facebook.com domain as well. Value roughly 1/2 trillion. If half of the value of cars.com project was the domain, then we can easily assume that half of the value of Facebook is the domain as well. So nobody has to be surprised to see a domain sale for something like 250 billion USD. And that will be even cheap I guess.

Well there you go engaging in fallacious reasoning again and building a straw man, and around and around we go. You will never be able to find a single person on earth who actually knows anything about domain names and even among those who are closely associated with those very companies who will ever honestly suggest that those fallacious example domains you are using to build your straw man become valuable that way merely because of the success and value of the companies themselves. It just doesn't work that way, and everyone who knows anything already knows that. Anyone who actually knows anything about the real business value and utility of domain names, however, knows that all of those fallacious examples you are using are relatively worthless by themselves, especially in comparison to the value of the actual companies, and that no amount of multi-billion dollar and even multi-trillion dollar valuation of the businesses behind those domains can do anything more than at most result in only an infinitesimal and fading practical value for the domain names in comparison to the value of the companies, such as if hypothetically, for example, those companies were to go out of business overnight and the domain names were put to other use. Even the very founders of companies like Google and Yahoo and Apple would doubtless be all too happy to tell you that the domains google.com, yahoo.com, and apple.com are all relatively worthless by themselves, except of course for one like apple.com having some good value for the actual apple industry or other possible branding, just as everyone else who knows anything about business and domain names knows this already as well. But for a clearly valuable by itself blockbuster domain like cars.com, however, it's categorically another matter altogether, as also anyone who knows anything about business and domain names already knows, though now clearly pointless and a waste of time even attempting to reason with you about it. As you well indicated, it has become a "total waste of a debate."

[DanHorvat]

So here we are again, lured into a conversation that's a blast from the past, from the time of the dot-com boom. Might as well be discussing PageRank. The times when domains were worth millions were when they could actually gave you a financial advantage of ranking instead of paying for CPC, which is no longer the case. Financial gain is gone, Dot-com bubble deflated around 2000, so financial value of domains is also diminished.

Crucially, people too got smarter and more technical, and no longer need the domain to be Cars.com for them to consider it a market leader. Those times are gone. Spearguns are now being sold on Amazon and eBay, and you can't own the spearguns market by owning Spearguns.com. Not anymore.

I doubt you'll impress anyone here. These are industry professionals who know very well what works and what doesn't, as they have websites that actually rank for the important money-making keywords. Can't tell these people to pay $250k for NewJerseySportsBetting.com. You'll have to find a rich clueless guy who's outside gambling and wants in, and whose mind is stuck in 1998-2008.

Soon I'm launching a new website in a niche (a certain alcoholic beverage) in which I have virtually no competition and no one claimed the top spot. My strategy is to buy the EMD, which I did, as this provides the illusion that I'm the king of that term in the minds of consumers, and I'm protecting myself from future competition as I got here first. Plus I won't be selling a specific brand of that beverage but all of them. But this is a really rare and specific case, an exception that proves the rule, and it can only happen on a soft market with no competition. You need your niche market to have similarities to young days of internet in order for this to be successful. If I had any sort of competition I would have had to go down a different route.

I repeat, you're talking to people who actually run websites - in the most competitive online industry - and who live from that alone. Some of us are capable of outranking the very brands we advertise. We know things. And you're stuck in 2000s with your cars.com and similar examples that are supposed to prove you can top a market in a consumer's mind if you own the .com for the term the consumer is thinking about.

You can, but only in very specific scenarios, and most of the time it will be an exercise in futility regardless of the price paid for the domain.

Keywords are a bit more complex these days (which means people's minds are more complex), and it's both very difficult and very unrewarding to top the market for a generic keyword. So, your dot-com EMDs are helping you achieve something which probably won't be achieved, and even if it is, it won't bring you the top position on the market as the game is now far more refined than it was in early 2000s.

[Top Domains]

I read your 2017 domain article at the GPWA magazine. Some good points, some not so good. You are certainly wrong about a domain like "casinoreviews.com" you mentioned there. You guys are simply deluding yourselves. You say you know what works, but it is extremely rare that any of you ever uses a really good domain/brand name. Much or perhaps even most of the time all I ever see people using here for sites is garbage, or close to garbage. Even if they are doing okay with search, if they had a better domain/brand combined with their other skills they would doubtless do astronomically better. Some affiliates do use decent domains, however. And for everyone here who actually manages to experience some success there must be doubtless hundreds or even thousands who fail or do poorly, even with good content and whatever the ones who succeed implement. It would also not be hard to outrank many of the operators themselves. Most of the names the operators choose are often even worse than the garbage the affiliates so often use. Even when I was doing the casino affiliate marketing myself I used to marvel at how insanely awful a lot of the name and branding choices by the operators are. It was no wonder to me they need affiliates so much because of such awful naming and branding. Meanwhile, you can be very confident the parties publishing on the best EMDs are laughing all the way to the bank and continually riding the wave of the competitive advantage and cost savings those EMDs afford. Even if they are not at the very top, they are still saving a fortune on marketing cost relative to where they are. Look at Casino City itself. I used to check a search on "casino" frequently, and what probably lasted years I could always count on Casino City appearing prominently on page 1 for Google. I used to check "online casino" frequently as well. Now I can't find Casino City on any page. What happened? Did they suddenly become less skilled at SEO and content? I seriously doubt that. "Casino City" and its .com are stellar brand names, but if they had top EMDs like onlinecasino.com, casino.com, the plurals, etc., they would still be riding an endless wave of competitive advantage and huge cost saving. You also just don't seem to realize how completely and deeply ".com" is ingrained into people's minds despite what you wrote in your article. And perhaps you didn't read what I wrote about discovering that people even search for it. Think about that for just a moment in case it doesn't sink in yet. Has it sunk in yet, or do you perhaps not even believe it? People are not only going to be searching for "casino," "online casino," the plurals, etc., but for the domains themselves including with the varying insertion of spaces, just as I described before, and just as I witnessed myself for three and even four word .coms when the phrase is an authority phrase. And do you not believe what I have said about how business people still go completely out of their way to publish and speak about what upgrading and investing in the .com or a better .com does to their business? They don't have to do that, and yet they simply love doing it. Today, not yesteryear.

[MJM]

You guys are all just like democrats and republicans, thinking there is only one right way when the correct path is almost always in the middle. So many of you think emd is only good if it ranks better - but forget you also want people to remember your brand, revisit your brand, tell others about your brand, and more importantly TRUST your brand.Short and memorable = brandable. The very best emd’s are also the most brandable and none of you would argue against having a brandable domain would you?

For the record I’m team online.casino is crap and continue to put my money where my mouth is and buy high value premium .coms in our niche. The last five I’ve boight this year have been the best I’ve ever owned and I can’t wait to develop them. I also search daily for more.

So many of you think that if emd isn’t a shortcut in the SERPS than it isn’t worth it. Dead wrong, and most of you arguing against emd’s would jump for joy if you had the chance to acquire something ultra premium for a bargain price.

In a way im glad to see this ignorance flourish here, it helps. Yes you are going to be outranked by some non emd’s, of course. That was the case even when emd’s were getting an unfair boost in the serps. Give me an emd with branding power plus great content and a useful website, I think you mostly likely can’t fail.

I’m also talking to those of you who constantly label domain sales threads as “premium” when they aren’t even anything close to that. Super annoying to find a sales thread labeled “premium exact match casino domains” and find the quality of howtoplayblackjackonlineforrealmoney.com - super annoying.


My .02

[Triple7]

Look at Casino City itself. I used to check a search on "casino" frequently, and what probably lasted years I could always count on Casino City appearing prominently on page 1 for Google. I used to check "online casino" frequently as well. Now I can't find Casino City on any page. What happened? Did they suddenly become less skilled at SEO and content? I seriously doubt that.

It's not about less skilled; it's about more competition.

Íf I was in their position, and I had the choice between investing $ 25M in a domain (you said 5,5M for Casino.com was a bargain) or a fraction of that money in SEO, that would be a no-brainer.

You have to look at the whole picture, not just at throwing money on the table for some domain.

[Top Domains]

It's not about less skilled; it's about more competition.

Look at what dominates SERPS for "casino" and "online casino" and tell me that all of them belong to be above Casino City and that Casino City should not still be prominently displayed. No way. I'm certainly not suggesting by any means that the reason is all about names and domains, but I am most definitely suggesting something is simply not right somewhere, "rotten in Denmark" as they say. There is no way even a non-EMD like Casino City should not still be appearing very prominently, yet I didn't even find them on page 3 for either term.

You have to look at the whole picture, not just at throwing money on the table for some domain.

If you read all of my comments here obviously that is exactly what I am doing and nowhere have I suggested that "throwing money" for a domain is all that is required. And now, time for me to get ready and go out somewhere for the evening. Cheers.

P.S. And before I go:

Íf I was in their position, and I had the choice between investing $ 25M in a domain (you said 5,5M for Casino.com was a bargain) or a fraction of that money in SEO, that would be a no-brainer.

If anyone really had a budget like that, they most certainly should invest a fraction in SEO and it certainly is a no-brainer. But if they did not use most of it to acquire the best possible investible asset EMD's like casino.com, onlinegambling.com, poker.com and the like, if they possibly even could acquire any of them, they would be certifiably insane.

[Sherlock]

Do you realize that in this thread are people with this budget and decide NOT to buy the domains? You call them insane, but the people here actually make the money and those budgets with online marketing. So who is the insane guy here?

[Top Domains]

Are they more skilled at SEO and content than Michael and all the people that have been working for him and Casino City all these years? I only took a look at the search I used to do regularly on "casino" and "online casino" during this thread for the first time in a long time. In the past, however, it looked as if Casino City could never fall from ranking highly on Google and that it would always appear prominently. Is it even the least bit credible that Casino City can no longer even be found on the first three pages now? Is it even the least bit credible that Casino City should not appear prominently and rank well now, with all the years and years of work and skill and craftsmanship and content it contains? No - it is not credible, not credible at all. What does this mean? It means if these people you are alluding to, who are doing well and have the budget but choose not to invest in genuine IP assets while they can, think they can simply always rely on their skill with content and SEO being rewarded as it honestly should be rewarded, they are very mistaken and very much at risk of discovering one day that the rug has been pulled out from under them. You do not want to spend your life at the whim and mercy of Google or other entities like Twitter and Facebook and Apple having control over your destiny. The most recent current events involving widespread censorship and "de-platforming" certainly demonstrate that in spades, unless one has not been paying attention. I used to always see onlinecasinosuite.com dominating unpaid results as well, which I think probably involves a member here or at least used to. Where are they now too? But with website domains that are true "investible assets" like casino.com, onlinegambling.com, poker.com, etc., you have exactly that: real assets, that are not completely at the whim and mercy of the search and social media monopolies. People still use the address bar to visit domains directly, even if not as much as 20 years ago. I still publish a number of sites myself, and the vast majority, almost all of my traffic is always "Direct access / Bookmark." That means "typing your URL on the web browser address bar; clicking on your URL stored by a visitor inside its favorites; clicking on your URL found everywhere but not another internet web pages (a link in a document, an application, etc...); clicking an URL of your site inside a mail is often counted here." And guess what? In my particular case, it is close to impossible that any of the three beyond "typing your URL on the web browser" can apply except for at most an infinitesimal and practically meaningless % compared to pure type-in traffic. That's called a genuine asset with a genuine competitive advantage, which is not at the total whim and mercy of search and social media monopolies. And take note of what I have been saying all along as well: people do not just type a domain into the address bar, as if that is not already a huge asset and advantage. When you have a genuinely good and *authoritative* and *intuitive* domain, no matter how long or short, they also literally search for the domain itself, as well as the word or phrase of the domain accompanied by ".com." They not only search for the domain and the exact contents of the domain in this manner, but they search for it in multiple ways that preserve the exact content of the domain and merely add various use of spaces. Do I need to spell it out again? I will, I don't mind doing it since it's a topic that I like, and in the big picture it's an important cause unless you want to be a slave all your life to search and social media totalitarianism. If your domain is onlinecasino.com, for example, people not only type it directly into the address bar, but they also search for "onlinecasino.com," "online casino.com," "online casino .com," "onlinecasino .com," and so forth. Has this sunk in? Do you know what I am even talking about? And remember, the key is that this applies if the word or phrase involved is a top-of-mind genuine asset and genuine authority phrase, get it? You can certainly forget about reaping this kind of benefit from garbage domains and phrases. And it doesn't even matter how long the phrase is - people are all too eager and ready to search for the whole thing if it really is the top-of-mind or a top-of-mind authority phrase, as I discovered with a four word beast like atlanticcityonlinegambling.com, as well as a number of others that are also three and four words too. Does any of this make sense to you, i.e. do you at least understand what I am even talking about? It should certainly be more than clear enough by now. So if there are people who have done well and been able to ride a wave of success for a long time, if they don't recognize how precarious and fickle it can be, and how valuable the best IP assets are to help with future, enduring, and expanding success vs. only temporary success, then they are simply missing the boat and missing the forest for the trees, or the trees for the forest, whichever you prefer. And as I also said before, for everyone who has been able to ride such a wave, there must doubtless be hundreds or even thousands who have simply gotten nowhere or maybe only just a little better than nowhere.

[Sherlock]

I do not know if they are more skilled than someone else. I just said in this thread are people who can afford to buy the 7 figure domains and they do not buy them. Even less they buy the crappy "premium" newgtlds for 6 figures.

You can say whatever you want, but people from gambling affiliate marketing just do not buy that and this thread is a proof. Have a nice day.

[Top Domains]

I do not know if they are more skilled than someone else.

Right, that's why it's called a "rhetorical question" designed to make you think carefully about everything else. And how credible would it be to even suggest they could be so much better and more skilled that they should be doing well but Casino City honestly should now be vaporized as it is from these search pages for any credible legitimate reason? You can think about that too.

I just said in this thread are people who can afford to buy the 7 figure domains and they do not buy them. Even less they buy the crappy "premium" newgtlds for 6 figures.

This thread may have started about a single new gTLD domain, but that's not what we are talking about anymore since 100 miles ago, so we can forget about that now, and I have already made my own position very clear on them. I am not pushing new gTLDs either nor would I, and I have already said they are almost all crap too. People can differ on how they feel about infinitesimally few isolated examples like online.casino, and it's perfectly fine with me if anyone doesn't like it one bit. I have also already made it clear that even I personally would never go for online.casino over a .com myself given the same budget.

You can say whatever you want, but people from gambling affiliate marketing just do not buy that and this thread is a proof. Have a nice day.

Au contraire, Sherlock, you are forgetting MJM in this very thread above and all the other people in this forum who already know the true facts of life about valuable domain names. You are forgetting about how Michael himself has written in this forum about his own sale of valuable domain names before, how well known member Topboss has already written before about how valuable OnlineCasino.co.za turned out to be as a great domain, regretting not also buying Casino.co.za, how Slots.com was discussed here by the actual owner before it sold for $5.5 million, how private member FreePoker expects "serious inquires of 7 figures for FreePoker.com," and who knows how many other people in this very forum who do "buy that" and make "this thread is a proof" complete hogwash. Not to mention the vast innumerable multitude of people outside this forum who know otherwise, have known for years, and confirm it all the time as the "common knowledge" that it is.

[Azureus]

I do not know if they are more skilled than someone else. I just said in this thread are people who can afford to buy the 7 figure domains and they do not buy them. Even less they buy the crappy "premium" newgtlds for 6 figures.

You can say whatever you want, but people from gambling affiliate marketing just do not buy that and this thread is a proof. Have a nice day.

You are arguing with some indian loser who thinks he'll hit it big and sell his 3rd tier domain for a million. You cannot win this argument. His time is worthless so every response will initiate another 10 paragraphs of meaningless text about the value, sourced with 10 examples.