Pagerank Update ?

[MrKay]

It looks like the google toolbar PR update may finally be underway, my sites have been randomly displaying different PR's all day and have started to stabilise over the last few hours on some fairly pleasing results.

I know it doesnt mean a great deal anymore, but I have to confess to a little satisfaction from that bar finally displaying something other than nothing

I would be interested to find out how everyone else has done and if anyone has experienced any considerable PR changes.

[LiveCasinoPartners]

I've got most of my new sites to PR3.. some PR2s.. I can't believe it took so long. I think G probably spent a lot of time on the link selling down grade, instead of the PR update (upload)..

[helpyou]

I think that google started to be more severe.

www.gpwa.org from 5 to 3
www.onlinexcasinos.com from 3 to 3 ( but it must be 5 )
www.777-online-gamblig.net from 4 to 3

the mine internal pages are pr3 ( example http://www.onlinexcasinos.com/about_online_casinos.html and http://www.onlinexcasinos.com/casino_games/index.html but not all ).

[Cash2C]

Well, I am quite irritated with this update, I went from 5 to 3 and based upon what I have read, they are dropping the PR of sites that appear to have sold or bought links to/from other sites which is quite hypocritical for a search engine that pays sites via Adsense for links! I would say that most of us that have been around for more than two years (and possibly less time) are going to be dropped due to this and regardless of how important the PR is anymore, it is still plain wrong!

[Ziggy]

Indeed. I personally know of a site that went from a PR3 to a PR5 - and they have purchased links for years.

Google sucks.

[tomglisting]

were buying links and my sites went from PR0 to PR3.

[Cash2C]

That just proves how much Google sucks, their crawler has no idea what it is looking at...I haven't bought links, only sold...

[helpyou]

It is chain : if one website lost pagerank, other website that are linked form that website lost pagerank.

the problem is why one website lost pagerank ?

[ck8795]

That just proves how much Google sucks, their crawler has no idea what it is looking at...I haven't bought links, only sold...

That right there is your problem. You are not supposed to be selling links at all. Google suggests you use no follow tags on all outgoing links.

[aksana]

Okey, I will have more enthusiasm to back my PR I had PR4, now I see it's 3,
but earlier it was PR5. Honestly I didn't notice any changes when I had PR5, PR4 or PR3. The traffic is the same.

[aksana]

I understood why my PR is becoming 3, last month I added a lot of external links to my subdomains on my homepage. And now I see that some of them has PR1, but I don't need PR for them.

I've already added rel="nofollow" for them, because it's very stupid to lost PR by this way.

[helpyou]

I've already added rel="nofollow" for them, because it's very stupid to lost PR by this way.

you don't worry if you have the same traffic. ( All do some stupid things ). However for me the principal cause is that google is more severe with the reciprocal link.

what is your traffic to today ( Aksana ) ?

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[matted]

About the only use I've seen for PR lately is for folks who trade/sell links based on PR.

By devaluing sites that sell links, they level the playing field in the link industry. Let's face it, the prices for links is crazy... And the whole concept of people not trading links with lower PR sites is ridiculous. How can google realistically give more "importance" to a site that has paid for a bunch of links and/or sells links for big dollars. Since PR is unrelated to SERPS, I don't really care what my PR looks like!

And I wouldn't put it past google to have separate PR's - what is on the toolbar and what they really think of a site. They've admitted in the past the toolbar PR is out of date even when they update it.

I've always traded links with any link trader with good intentions (white hat/no tricks and lower quality sites trying to improve). Any incoming link that may be of value to folks on the other side is good with me.

I know my opinion may not be the most popular among some folks... But I just don't think any site can be deemed more 'important' just because they spend money obtaining inbound links.

[pgaming]

matted,

In my view you are 100% right!

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[Ziggy]

Indeed, Aksana brings up a good point. If anything, my traffic has increased, even though my PR dropped a notch.

[Simmo!]

I've always traded links with any link trader with good intentions (white hat/no tricks and lower quality sites trying to improve). Any incoming link that may be of value to folks on the other side is good with me.

Spot on.

Toolbar PR (which is different to actual PR) seems to have little if any meaning now. It's certainly not indicative of rankings. It's used for link strategies and by sellers as its the only quantifiable, or perhaps I should say the only obvious quantifiable measure of a website's status, but a status thats merely a reflection of links in and out, not of quality or "authority".

What Matted says above is far more important in linking strategies.

Alhough it's hard for many people to grasp, it's actually believed to be more beneficial for you to link OUT to a true on-topic "authority" site than it is to have a link coming in from a poorly ranked site. One neat idea I read was to link out to authority sites in your sector that don't target your keyword. Example, if you target "Online casinos" and there is a major "authority" site with a page targeting the term "UK casinos", link to their page.

One of the big problems of course is that not that many people in our industry have an authority site - lots of repetitive information that can be read on loads of sites - so of course we won't attract many links. Hence why unique quality content is seen to be the holy grail.

[helpyou]

do you see YOUTUBE.COM ?

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[Ziggy]

. . . Let's face it, the prices for links is crazy... And the whole concept of people not trading links with lower PR sites is ridiculous. How can google realistically give more "importance" to a site that has paid for a bunch of links and/or sells links for big dollars. Since PR is unrelated to SERPS, I don't really care what my PR looks like!

Matt is correct, indeed. I have noticed that while my little green PR went from 4 to 3, I actually rank higher for my search term in Google.

And, as a wise person once told me, he conducts link exchanges for traffic - not for Google. This proves him correct because I receive as much traffic from link exchanges than search engines.

Google is treading on very thin ice in its relationship with webmasters/webmistresses IMHO - they ultimately are the bread and butter for Google.

I agree, Matt, anyone with a PR0 is welcome - people did that for me...

[Doolally]

do you see YOUTUBE.COM ?

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If YouTube can only get a PR3 then there's hope for us all yet!!

Worth remembering though that PR tends to fluctuate for a week or so during an update so your PR rankings may change again by next weekend.

[Cash2C]

if PR doesn't matter and SE traffic stays the same, then it doesn't matter how we link, the visitors will still come...

I haven't bought links but I am listed on other home pages in exchange for ad space, so, as I said before, Google is guessing which sites are selling...I am quite tired of the Google system. I remember years ago when you would do a search, you would actually find many sites showing exactly what you are looking for...today, you may find one or two and then a large number of parked domains or mirrored sites that send you way off the mark.