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    Default Results since the new gaming law in Germany

    Ask everyone who is still active on the German market. Do you have any big changes in terms of traffic since July 1st, 2021?
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    We are still active in Germany with one of our sites. Traffic is the same or better growing because they are looking for "alternatives" like Crypto casinos for example.

    Most (worst) change is the payment models on many, but not all operators (no revshare anymore, only CPA or even no commissions).

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    Quote Originally Posted by freakspin View Post
    Most (worst) change is the payment models on many, but not all operators (no revshare anymore, only CPA or even no commissions).
    Yes that's true. Except of some offshore operator, no revshare deals anymore. The German politicians are just too stupid and have ruined everything.
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    I switched to 22bet nearly all traffic. Also confirming better than expected results. I had to do it long time ago.

    I do not promote Germany on cryptomarket yet (until there are fiat options).

    Still I do not have high hopes. The censorship and banking restrictions will hit even German market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post

    ALL politicians are stupid. If the intelligence/stupidity is measured by effectivity of their policies. They are following other goals like corruption or reelection.
    Agree with this...

    I think we will see better results on German market but not very soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gil.langelaan View Post
    I think we will see better results on German market but not very soon.
    I am not sure about that. If they change their thinking and remove this stupid 5,3% tax for operator, come back to revshare and remove the 1k monthly deposit limit, then maybe yes.
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    We will not make significant money on any regulated market with licensed bookies ever. Even if the policy and taxing is sane, we will be robbed. And the reason why the regulation occurs is exactly to NOT be sane.

    There are two distinct ways of regulation:

    1. Regulating a market that was killed to zero before. Like France. Then they show double digit growth. Which is misleading because the base is zero. This is why fools think the regulated markets can grow.

    2. Regulating a previously unregulated market (UK, Germany, in the future USA). Once taxed and restricted, it will just show how deep under potential all regulated markets are. Nobody will see it with one exception: the affiliates will see it.

    The German black market which is now good will be very likely bad too. China paved way for blocking of websites. USA paved way for blocking of money flows. Europe is already using both methods. The only reason why black operators work in Germany now is that no one yet saw it. If it were just the politicians, there could be good years. But now the legal operators, heavily taxed and restricted, who robbed affiliates, will not deliver even to their shareholders and they will look for culprits.

    German market should be considered dead, unles miracle happens like in Portugal, which is overregulated but some unnamed unregulated bookies found the way there. I do not expect that in well organised much bigger German market.
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    I have a website for Germany, and it has not undergone any significant changes in traffic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    I switched to 22bet nearly all traffic. Also confirming better than expected results. I had to do it long time ago.

    I do not promote Germany on cryptomarket yet (until there are fiat options).

    Still I do not have high hopes. The censorship and banking restrictions will hit even German market.

    ALL politicians are stupid. If the intelligence/stupidity is measured by effectivity of their policies. They are following other goals like corruption or reelection.
    My bet365 results with german only traffic are absolute zero. I have better results with 22bet and webpartners (for ROW and US). I am thinking about switching to 22bet for a month or so, but I am not sure if German users are open to this type of bookie (offshore, crypto etc).

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    As I said, my 22bet results in Germany are excellent. The conversions are not top, but the value of players is very high. I would estimate higher than it used to be by bet365 when everything worked fine.

    I have there one German whale since August 2020. Banking is not issue there. Germans played offshore all the time. Not long time ago Bet365 was offshore, Tipico was offshore.

    20bet@playamo converting now even better in Germany, but that is short term. Same company, can be same AM i think.
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    We have just started to work with this market as a direct advertiser. At the moment, many of our SEO partners do not see any problems in this market, the amount of traffic on the sites does not drop.
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