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    i want to warn other affiliates and aswell players doing any business with russianpro.net, which also has a GPWA seal on their site.

    We had 3 trackers from them at Luckyacepoker.com ( 888.com ) and started to send players their and generate $700+ in comission ofr november .. for December it would be much more

    anyhow without a reason Sergey Koval the owner of russianpro.net decided to not pay us our cut there plus he wants to keep all the players for himself and stop all payments.

    We didnt do anything to him or he isnt getting any money from us at all.

    We dont know why he is acting like this , i tried to talk with a 888.com Affiliate manager named '' Doronor Rozenberg'' he said to me :

    He has better things to do as to care about my problem and i would be stupid to use someone's tracker ...now i have to fix this with russianpro.net and not with him ... He also blocked me from skype right away, i dont know if he is a friend of them or what is wrong with him, but with such managers you cant do any business

    I dont know why this Guy get even a paycheck from 888.com for his poor work, as an Affiliate Manager he shld be taken care of when someone steals from someone else.

    I went than to Javier Waldmann which was trying to help us and forward this , i also contact Gareth which is on vacation right now and I hope we can get it solved


    I will update here when i get a respond... and hope i get it solved

    We also post this in all big russian forums and told all pur partner rooms who knows russianpro.net

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    Quote Originally Posted by COPCapo View Post
    We dont know why he is acting like this , i tried to talk with a 888.com Affiliate manager named '' Doronor Rozenberg'' he said to me :

    He has better things to do as to care about my problem and i would be stupid to use someone's tracker ...now i have to fix this with russianpro.net and not with him ... He also blocked me from skype right away, i dont know if he is a friend of them or what is wrong with him, but with such managers you cant do any business

    I dont know why this Guy get even a paycheck from 888.com for his poor work, as an Affiliate Manager he shld be taken care of when someone steals from someone else.
    ===> xxhttp://en.russianpro.net/LuckyAceENG.html

    ===> http://www.gamenet.ru/users/russianpronet/

    ===> http://il.linkedin.com/pub/doron-rozenberg/1a/540/716

    I must apologize for my countryman, Mr. Rozenberg. This is not a good way of working.

    If you read this posting then you see whats going on by 888.

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    im noticing that people tend to not cae anyore about that people getting scammed out by '' affiliates or providers ''

    few years ago you was able to get bcked up by other affiliates and helped out getting the word out

    now it seems noone is really intrested in such things even gpwa doesnt care if he aff has a seal from them or not

    what does the seal means anyway ? they got educated and a document from gpwa to steal from players and affiliates ?


    im really sick of this .... especially if you tell the room and they dont care, where is the meaning to keep working with them if they are too busy and treat their customers so disrespectful.

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    im noticing that people tend to not cae anyore about that people getting scammed out by '' affiliates or providers ''
    This statement is totally and completely off base and shows that you do not understand our community at all.

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    and your statement shows actually i was right

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    Actually your statements shows a lot more about why I was 100% CORRECT.

    If you knew very much about the GPWA you would know that I fight more on the side of the affiliate than damn near anyone that comes here....so you just go ahead and continue to believe that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by universal4 View Post
    Actually your statements shows a lot more about why I was 100% CORRECT.

    If you knew very much about the GPWA you would know that I fight more on the side of the affiliate than damn near anyone that comes here....so you just go ahead and continue to believe that.

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    you seem not o understand, i stated there is less help lately

    tha you come an instead of somehow respond to my curren poblem that i got robbed

    you only tried to defend yourself and the community

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    Quote Originally Posted by COPCapo View Post
    Hi

    i want to warn other affiliates and aswell players doing any business with russianpro.net, which also has a GPWA seal on their site.

    We had 3 trackers from them at Luckyacepoker.com ( 888.com ) and started to send players their and generate $700+ in comission ofr november .. for December it would be much more

    anyhow without a reason Sergey Koval the owner of russianpro.net decided to not pay us our cut there plus he wants to keep all the players for himself and stop all payments.

    We didnt do anything to him or he isnt getting any money from us at all.

    We dont know why he is acting like this , i tried to talk with a 888.com Affiliate manager named '' Doronor Rozenberg'' he said to me :

    He has better things to do as to care about my problem and i would be stupid to use someone's tracker ...now i have to fix this with russianpro.net and not with him ... He also blocked me from skype right away, i dont know if he is a friend of them or what is wrong with him, but with such managers you cant do any business

    I dont know why this Guy get even a paycheck from 888.com for his poor work, as an Affiliate Manager he shld be taken care of when someone steals from someone else.

    I went than to Javier Waldmann which was trying to help us and forward this , i also contact Gareth which is on vacation right now and I hope we can get it solved


    I will update here when i get a respond... and hope i get it solved

    We also post this in all big russian forums and told all pur partner rooms who knows russianpro.net



    Let me see if I understand the situation correctly.

    You promoted 888.com through russianpro.net's affiliate links. Then russianpro.net did not to pay you.
    When you spoke to 888.com they said you shouldn't have promoted with a tracker that wasn't your, correct?
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    OK, you post days before CHRISTMAS, then about 30 hours later you post with an attitude that the COMMUNITY doesn't care about your situation because people haven't been falling all over themselves to post in the thread yet.

    Actually some of us were kinda wondering what the situation was and I had actually started a discussion in a different section asking for clarification of a point since I didn't want to seem uncaring....

    I too am interested in why you would work with an affiliate instead of working directly with the "authorised" affiliate program.

    Maybe if you have asked some of us uncaring jerks here at the GPWA on who this third party was in advance, you might have gotten advice to stay away. (This does NOT diminish what happened and we DO CARE)...and by the way, research 3rd parties here and you will find that I almost ALWAYS recommend NOT to work with third parites and to work directly with the official affiliate programs.

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    Anthony: it is allowed to use a tracker from someone else .... the first AM wanted to make me believe this isnt allowed, but i aleady get the answer that this is okay

    universal4: i still cant agree with you, we are a Poker Affiliate Conuslting Firm based in malta and all our Affiliates who work with us :

    1. have their own affiliate account
    2. noone had any problems to get paid ... more if there is a problem we try to help to find a solution or urge the room to pay them or assist them with their problems
    3. have a much better deal as if they would go direct

    so i dont think working with a 3rd party is always bad

    in my case it happened to be bad especially im loosing reputation through this behaviour

    Why I didnt had a direct deal with 888.com ?

    because i tried to contact them several times and i never got a reply and the current one ... who was too busy to handle this, was not in the position to finalize anything.

    Russianpro.net had aswell accounts with us, which we tried to close but as I found out, he aswell didnt paid his subaffiliates or players for more as 6 month

    So we closed one or moved all players to our own account and adviced subaffiliates from him to deal with us directly.

    last word to 3rd part: Im sure that over 90% of our affiliates are happy with the service we offer

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    We have senn many many MANY times over the years this has happened.

    And now you want satisfaction from 888 to fix the issue, when the issue is NOT with 888.

    Asking for intervention from 888 because russianpro_net hasn't paid you is invalid. The problem you have is with them not 888.

    I am against working with third parties, and it is the VERY SAME ISSUE that you have experienced is the reason behind that.

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    lol

    so if someone doesnt pays you, you dont ask the room to help you out

    awesome parrot , well done

    i cant stop laughing about you ...

    stupid thing i ever read, ofc 888.com shld help an move players to a own account

    its like a busdriver from geyhound hit you and you go after greyhound and they say, pls deal with the driver we dont have anything to do with that

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    hahah ... so if someone robs you, you dont call the cops or ? why should you, you need to deal with the criminal directly

    man only because you are mad that I said, noone cares, there is no reason to start talking rubbish things which doesnt makes sense and are profoundly childish

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    man only because you are mad that I said, noone cares, there is no reason to start talking rubbish things which doesnt makes sense and are profoundly childish
    WARNING!! I am staying respectful, but you are being warned, do NOT personally insult ANYONE!! (Had you insulted ANYONE other than myself, you would be recieving an infraction for this) We do NOT allow personal insults, ever.

    Not once did I say that you not getting paid was right.

    Had you been working with 888, then you would be dealing with 888 direct, and therefore for any payment issues, you would have the right to persue payment issues with them.

    Your affiliate agreement is NOT with 888 since you chose to make a contract with the russianpro site NOT with 888. That is what you stated as a fact.

    Now, it might be possible that 888 can help twist the arm of the russianpro people, but this is the basis why I feel very strongly against working with third parties, since when there are issues, there is also confusion on responsibilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by COPCapo View Post
    stupid thing i ever read, ofc 888.com shld help an move players to a own account
    No one can help you, all you can do is post the mans affiliate program details and name to warn others. I also suggest if you wish to be taken seriously then stop insulting people. Because no one will help you if you continue on that path!
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    insulting people ?

    who i insult here

    you guys are really creme de la creme of the aff business and of mankind ( warning could be seen as an insult ... )

    writing down things which doesnt makes sense and than WARNING people of insulting someone ???

    of course i will go to 888 and ask to fix them ????? i mean what you think that i wait for a broke russian affiliate to take every month our hard earned comission into his own pocket and beg him to pay us

    and btw. stop insulting me here and try to turn it around that this is my fault


    anyhow im done here .. mods taking every word like i spit him in the face ... childish

    warn me , bann me do what you want within your power of beeing a mod

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    Quote Originally Posted by COPCapo View Post
    insulting people ?

    who i insult here

    you guys are really creme de la creme of the aff business and of mankind ( warning could be seen as an insult ... )

    writing down things which doesnt makes sense and than WARNING people of insulting someone ???

    of course i will go to 888 and ask to fix them ????? i mean what you think that i wait for a broke russian affiliate to take every month our hard earned comission into his own pocket and beg him to pay us

    and btw. stop insulting me here and try to turn it around that this is my fault


    anyhow im done here .. mods taking every word like i spit him in the face ... childish

    warn me , bann me do what you want within your power of beeing a mod
    ROFLMAO, dam thought i used to be the drama queen. Good Luck

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    Hello COPCapo,

    warn me , bann me do what you want within your power of beeing a mod
    start talking rubbish things which doesnt makes sense and are profoundly childish
    why these attacks against universal4?
    I can not understand.
    Universal4 is always helpful.
    Of course, always ready for a clear word.
    But never unfair or rude.



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    At this point I will lock this thread.

    Copcapo really did come here with an issue, but the issue ha has is NOT with 888 directly, it is with the russianpro group so this thread should stand as a warning to other affiliates that it is likely not a good idea to work with the russianpro group.

    Had he been willing to discuss the issue, who knows, maybe someone here may have been able to help him find a solution. We do understand that financial issues can be frustrating to those that are experiencing them but if the issue was to be discussed, it needs to take place calmly and without personal insults of any kind.

    In this particular case it appears the fact that he worked with a third party, and not the official affiliate program was part of the problem, and blaming the affiliate program because the third party wouldnt pay him.

    If anyone in the future would like to discuss this issue further, all they would need do is drop any mod here a private message requesting the thread to be re-opened. Reopening a new thread for the same issue should NOT take place.

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