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    I was just wondering if i could get some feedback on an SEO/Web development question. And, before anyone suggests doing it all myself, the economics tell me i make a lot more money doing other things. With that said, i have made a effort to put myself straight on SEO, and being mathematical i believe i’m getting the idea of what, were and why..


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    Everyday i get 10-20 e-mails offering SEO and web development. Upto this point i’ve mainly ignored these people, but since i wanted to get active in this area i started to answer a few that looked a bit more legitimate. My request was very simple, show me the website of your company and the Linkedin profile of the person on this mail. Is that fair? - i ask because i never get an answer, and this sort of convinces me that they are either bulls…..s, or they are somehow offended by my request.


    The second part to the question is can you trust these people to actually do something? Clearly i shouldn’t give them access to the site? (which is an issue since i have a Webmaster who wants to do the SEO, but i never found him good for that purpose, although he’s at least a rare honest Indian - albeit a lazy one!!)


    I just wanted to give you some idea of their approach (fixmywebsite.online) - see below




    Apologies for my cold outreach!
    Are you looking for a cost effective mobile app, ecommerce website or graphic design service?
    I would like to extend the offer of providing you with experienced developers / designer / and online marketing expert at a very affordable cost.
    We handpick our resources and ensure quality delivery.
    Skill
    Price per hour
    Creative Graphic / Web Designer
    US $ 7
    Front-end Developer
    (HTML / CSS / JavaScript / J Query
    US $ 7
    CMS / E-Commerce Developer
    (Wordpress / Joomla / OpenCart / Other CMS
    US $ 8
    PHP / MySQL Developer
    US $ 9
    Mobile Application Developer
    (iOS / Andriod)
    US $ 15
    SEO / SEM Expert
    US $ 7
    We also work on fixed project based costing as well.If you’re not interested in this type of technology, I’d appreciate a quick "no thank you" so I can note to not follow up.All the best,Anny Pal

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    For sure you could hire a VA from India or Pakistan with english and Wordpress (?) knowledge and he can get something done. With detailed step by step instruction it should be not a problem do build some Blogs for a PBN or something. $3-10 should be a reasonable price per hour.

    For more complex stuff (coding, design) checkout upwork.com - you´ll find highly educated staff with track records and references for cheap money.

    If you searching for white/greyhat linkbuilding or content marketing for "money sites", personally i would be really really careful and try to avoid this kind of offers above.

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    I'd say that you should avoid anyone that mails you uninvited to offer SEO services...you can see that 99% - and probably 100% - are to be avoided just by what they say/how they are presented. If you want a recommendation PM me, I know an operation that I think are still in the game (no personal interest) but note these are top guys (you'll be able to search their names to prove it) and it will cost.

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    A good SEO will set you back anything from $50-200 per hour.. even now the recommended procedure is all pretty much the same links, content post etc.. I would personally wait for the next update and see what changes are brought about before considering anything

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonderpunter View Post
    A good SEO will set you back anything from $50-200 per hour.. even now the recommended procedure is all pretty much the same links, content post etc.. I would personally wait for the next update and see what changes are brought about before considering anything
    When's the next update?

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    SEO is the one thing I won't outsource, tried it a couple of times, lasted about 2-3 days before I realised they didn't know half as much as me (and I didn't consider myself an SEO 'expert' at that time) and I was actually exposing my niches, keywords and data to potential future competitors. Be very wary about outsourcing SEO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RacingJim View Post
    When's the next update?
    Last year supposedly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonderpunter View Post
    Last year supposedly...
    Just looked, there has supposedly been an update this September of some sort, which aligns well with an upsurge for one of my sites. Who knows what they've done though.

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    Just don't.

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    One thing to remember about these kinds of emails, Anyone that uses spam to sell you a seo service....well why didn't they use seo to sell their services instead of spam?

    And before anyone defends the approach, did you sign up for a list looking for seo people? Did you request these offers?

    If not, it is unsolicited marketing email, most likely to a whole bunch of people (bulk) and let's see, that is a definition of....spam.

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    If some of those seo experts knew what they were doing, or had the magical formula to skyrocket a site to the top of the serps, then they would set up their own sites and push them to the 1st pages of google. It would certainly be a lot more profitable for them.

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    Thanks - Fair point, like others also made!

    Quote Originally Posted by sweetbet View Post
    If some of those seo experts knew what they were doing, or had the magical formula to skyrocket a site to the top of the serps, then they would set up their own sites and push them to the 1st pages of google. It would certainly be a lot more profitable for them.

    From the consensus above, i've established its better do nothing than allow an unknown on the site. I could use a good friend of mine for this purpose, but i tend to keep friends and business apart.

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    Some SEO elements of course don't mean giving anyone else access.

    Anything on page/within site is better doing yourself or by someone you trust implicitly ( that probably means someone you have a proven working relationship with from an SEO perspective.

    Off page is different:

    Content creation (written/visual/video etc) can be considered an element of SEO. If you can identify sources that can provide top quality content then (in your situation) it could be a viable approach. There are some around, but highly unlikely to be any that approach you by unsolicited mail.

    Link building. Dangerous of course and again anyone that approaches you is a definite no no. If you can identify someone who has access to inbound link opportunities that no one else does (or few else do) then again that's worth considering. But you'd have to be sure of your ground with them, and it's probably limited to less than you can count on one hand (in the universe).

    Social & general networking. No involvement with this myself, and there are experts here. But I'd have thought this is one area you could outsource successfully with the appropriate diligence.



    Another option of course is to build your own team, with focused skills in each area, all with an interest in overall success. Get the right people and it may work (as it does for others already)

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    I suggest you should go by recommendation, someone who has used an SEO service and was happy with the ROI and the work done.

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    I never pay pay-hour rates. Only fixed price. From my point of view pay-hour-rates is the most stupid system on planet. Don't understand why people in USA use this system.


    For example: PHP Development $7/hour.


    1.) We have two contractors. Contractor "A" - do task within one hour. We pay $7 to him? Contractor "B" do the same task within 10 hours, we pay $70 to him?


    2.) About "SEO Experts". I don't trust them. This is easy. If you are realy seo-expert, create you own site, and and become rich.

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    thats true if your good in seo you dont need to sell the service ebcause there a re a lot of ways to make leads in to money. if you are looking for good backup in your seo campains just hire your own va's fulltime and learn them what to do so you have to spend less time on repeating tasks.

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    Hi guys,

    As an SEO professional I must agree with most of you guys, but I also disagree with some of you. let me explain please.

    I do SEO for a living for the past 8 years now. Obviously I got my own **** ranking and making money, but, getting clients and ranking them for their money keywords is what I do for living.

    For example, ranking a casino website for competitive keywords cost a **** ton of money + skills + man hours.
    Even if you are the best SEO person on the planet does not mean you would want to take the time + investment + risk on yourself.

    I for example rather consult to clients and work based on results, it's just my personal preference.

    Just my 2c,

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    I thought i would throw my two cents in here as I have been trying to get my sites seen in the gambling niche (free bets etc) for over 7 years now and only now am i seeing a small movement.

    I started off paying a company £200 per month for seo work on my site...and after around £1400 spent noticed a tiny imrpovement if ant and in fact when i stopped paying an actual drop in traffic.

    You would need to spend £2000-£4000 a month to even make inroads on the competetion for certain keywords these days and even then might not get where you need to be.

    Just focus on your site and your users and the rest will come
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    paying £200 a month and expecting to see real results will never EVER EVER work.

    Let me guess, you paid that to some Indian or Philippine / company?

    they promised you the world?


    You are absolutely right about the real budget / investment of £2000-£4000++ a month with a real SEO pro WILL get results!

    Competition is fierce and especially in the Gambling world so one will need to spend on quality services to get results.


    Cheers

    Quote Originally Posted by gamblerscompendium View Post
    I thought i would throw my two cents in here as I have been trying to get my sites seen in the gambling niche (free bets etc) for over 7 years now and only now am i seeing a small movement.

    I started off paying a company £200 per month for seo work on my site...and after around £1400 spent noticed a tiny imrpovement if ant and in fact when i stopped paying an actual drop in traffic.

    You would need to spend £2000-£4000 a month to even make inroads on the competetion for certain keywords these days and even then might not get where you need to be.

    Just focus on your site and your users and the rest will come

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