Manipulating DA/PA/TF/CF/etc ?

[PROFRBcom]

Just started a conversation about this in another thread and thought it would be better suited here, so as not to disrupt the poster's existing thread, as this was off-topic there.

Source thread: https://www.gpwa.org/forum/com-affil...tml#post947383

Existing conversation:

It is a .com domain which is approx 19 months old...

In terms of SEO, it started off well but kind of dwindled a little as my spare time became less and less, it is currently DR 42 with 136 referring domains,

We have had our main domain for 14 active years. Our DR is < 42 after that time period with many more legitimate and organic referring domains.

Our main domain performs well in SEO.

I scratch my head when I see stats like yours. More so when I see it coupled with a statement alluding to a lack of search traffic.

What is your secret?

You have 620 outgoing links compared to my 174, that is one of the reasons why your DR is lower. You have some really nice high DR links, but they get diluted when you link out to other sites. A higher DR doesn't mean a site gets more traffic, although it can give a higher ranking signal to Google for the site your linking too as it's likely to have some quality links.

Although many other things are taken into consideration such as the amount of traffic a sites gets, along with the quantity and quality of referring domains. But there are a alot of variables in play, that change all the time these days. My problem at the moment is a serious lack of spare time to progess things forward with the site.

I find what casinoportal says interesting because I do not ever recall having heard that outgoing links dilute DR scores.

Ultimately I think those scores can be manipulated and that nefarious types like professional link sellers often do, which is why I ignore most of the DA/PA/TF/CF/DR/blah blah blah scores that some SEO's hyperventilate about.

I realize the motivation is often to sell links, they think the metrics themselves will increase ranking in SERPS, etc... I personally don't think these tactics are particularly effective, even though I see some of my direct competitors doing this frequently, but what do I know?!

Hence this whole conversation got me thinking, how do people manipulate these various metrics? Trust flow, Citation flow, Domain Authority, Page Authority, etc?

Love to hear some thoughts on these metrics...

[minddigital55]

Yes, DA/PA/TF/CF/etc score doesn't metter for your website raking on the SERP. These matrix don't tell us website quality. It's important to check website quality by manually search.

[wonderpunter]

The only thing that counts is the quality of your keywords and the ranking of those.. everything else is fluff, so many DA 80 pbn out there

[PROFRBcom]

The only thing that counts is the quality of your keywords and the ranking of those.. everything else is fluff, so many DA 80 pbn out there

So I think we agree then; most link sellers are using nefarious tactics to inflate the value of their links. Other people (no accusations!) are inflating their metrics before selling their websites in order to garner higher prices also.

Damn shame.

I still want to learn how to manipulate these scores. Armed with this knowledge I can call out people who are trying to screw us

[allaboutthebets]

These are just scores that 3rd part tools assign to a site. Ahrefs, semrush, moz etc. They look at inbound links and outbound links and where they come from and go to and score those sites too. You can look on each blog for how they calculate their scores. You score is done on the quality of links that point at your site. If you get links from BBC, Wikipedia, authority sites etc that should increase your DA and PA. Doesn't meant you will necessarily rank better as that's down to Google, those scores are just what the 3rd party tools use to score sites.

[TheGooner]

I find what casinoportal says interesting because I do not ever recall having heard that outgoing links dilute DR scores.

The logical extension of this thinking is that any outgoing link is considered "bad" by google no matter what and by/to who and that the internet should not actually be a collection of interconnected sites - but instead be a series of siloed content that never refers to anything outside it's domain name.

That is of course NOT what we want or what google expects. So I disagree with the concept that outgoing links are penalised.

Personally, I find sites that do not link to things outside their domain to be shallow, and rather inferior ... and usually commercially motivated.

[mickyfu]

PR got hid by Google then all the charlatans made up their own versions. All bullshit. If I want to buy a link from a site I check if it has traffic and traffic that has not seriously dropped in a short time.

[PROFRBcom]

The logical extension of this thinking is that any outgoing link is considered "bad" by google no matter what and by/to who and that the internet should not actually be a collection of interconnected sites - but instead be a series of siloed content that never refers to anything outside it's domain name.

Indeed, I agree with you. All our sites give outbound links to news outlets, gaming commissions, government websites, wikipedia, etc, etc so long as it is an authoritative source and relevant to the story/review.

PR got hid by Google then all the charlatans made up their own versions. All bullshit. If I want to buy a link from a site I check if it has traffic and traffic that has not seriously dropped in a short time.

I also try to judge based on traffic. A site with no traffic is not liked by Google IMO. So even if they have 50DA/PA/TF/blah blah, but get like 10 visitors a day from search, then what is the point? If Google does not like the site enough to send them traffic, they almost certainly will not view the link to your website as valuable.

Still, I want to know *how* these ****ers are manipulating domain stats so much so that no traffic websites have better stats than our main website, which in biased opinion, gets pretty decent traffic.

[allaboutthebets]

Links. They have links from site with high DA/PA pointing to them, which increases their DA/PA.

These links can be from high DA/PA sites that get no traffic. Just because they have a high DA doesn't mean they get traffic. They could be PBNs that get zero visitors

[mickyfu]

Still, I want to know *how* these ****ers are manipulating domain stats so much so that no traffic websites have better stats than our main website, which in biased opinion, gets pretty decent traffic.

Ahrefs DR is easily manipulated to 50+ using all Google geo redirects plus other big websites where you can make redirects.

I can't think of the string off the top of my head but it's something like

Google.com/?r=mysite.com

Then use this for all Geos. The hard part is getting the redirect pages indexed. This is somewhat useful if you want to sell worthless guest posts that look good.

[johan_s]

I don't think this works anymore. Ahrefs changed the way they calculate DR lately.

Ahrefs DR is easily manipulated to 50+ using all Google geo redirects plus other big websites where you can make redirects.

I can't think of the string off the top of my head but it's something like

Google.com/?r=mysite.com

Then use this for all Geos. The hard part is getting the redirect pages indexed. This is somewhat useful if you want to sell worthless guest posts that look good.

[chaumi]

OK so we're mainly agreed...all this 2 letter stuff is garbage.

But Google created this mess (all be it probably unwittingly at the beginning).

Q Do you think they don't know that?

Of course they do...and must have known for many years.....so why haven't they put a stop to it?

And the only viable answer can be......they don't/didn't know how.


'Didn't' I think there are signs they are on to it. The 'problem'...it might yet take years to eliminate...and unfortunately in that time the manipulators will keep using the tactics -PBNs, redirected old domains etc etc (and it's difficult to blame them in the circumstances).

[mickyfu]

I don't think this works anymore. Ahrefs changed the way they calculate DR lately.

I'm 100% certain it does as I was looking for domains the other day. I came across a domain with a DR of 50. Never once had any traffic and it's whole link profile was Google redirects.

[mickyfu]

OK so we're mainly agreed...all this 2 letter stuff is garbage.

But Google created this mess (all be it probably unwittingly at the beginning).

Q Do you think they don't know that?

Of course they do...and must have known for many years.....so why haven't they put a stop to it?

And the only viable answer can be......they don't/didn't know how.


'Didn't' I think there are signs they are on to it. The 'problem'...it might yet take years to eliminate...and unfortunately in that time the manipulators will keep using the tactics -PBNs, redirected old domains etc etc (and it's difficult to blame them in the circumstances).

How can they put a stop to it and why would they care. The likes of Ahrefs crawlers come up with the bullshit score. These crawlers litterally have nothing to do with Google.

[chaumi]

Pile of bricks with the golden one at the bottom. Take it out and the rest come tumbling down.

What's the point of the whole show?

To get traffic from a search engine (or make it look like you probably do, so you can sell it or use it to perpetuate the mess)

(I'm ignoring social media nonsense here of course, never done it myself so can't really have a view other than to suspect it doesn't work -much - for gambling any more)


So all these 'tools' and their 'scores' are based on that golden brick in one search engines hands. In theory, when they decide/find a way to melt it, the rest have had their day.



But...good point on why would Google care....I think they do and for obvious reasons...but they may not (and for equally obvious reasons)

[DunderMannen]

So I think we agree then; most link sellers are using nefarious tactics to inflate the value of their links. Other people (no accusations!) are inflating their metrics before selling their websites in order to garner higher prices also.

Damn shame.

I still want to learn how to manipulate these scores. Armed with this knowledge I can call out people who are trying to screw us

Low OBL, high DR - that's how you manipulate them man. In reality that's how Google determines juicy links too though, so it's not really manipulating anything. Hence why PBN's work so good - you can control the OBL's.

[Madz]

I'm 100% certain it does as I was looking for domains the other day. I came across a domain with a DR of 50. Never once had any traffic and it's whole link profile was Google redirects.

You are correct mate. Other tools like Semrush consider these links as 100% spam so although aHrefs can be fooled into giving a 50+ other tools look at those links in a negative way.

[mediapartner]

Personally i find pretty much all SEO articles, tactics, strategies etc worthless. I never use any of them and also try to avoid paid seo or paid link building as much as possible.

And yes, some do (temporary) work, but in the end its all about the quality of your own content. So, as long as you update your site regularly, as long as you ad unique content, you are already doing SEO. On top of that just check your old pages some now and then and update them as well if needed...

Off course you do need to be aware of trends and things like that, so reading and learning is never a bad idea. However, keep in mind that google is a superpower, so if you fake or force seo, it will only give you bad results..

Nothing is needed to enhance your SEO...besides you doing what you already do... at least, thats my humble opinion.

[wonderpunter]

So I think we agree then; most link sellers are using nefarious tactics to inflate the value of their links. Other people (no accusations!) are inflating their metrics before selling their websites in order to garner higher prices also.

Damn shame.

I still want to learn how to manipulate these scores. Armed with this knowledge I can call out people who are trying to screw us

Quite a few will be a old non related news site or similar with tons of links then just slap on a new theme and add casino content.. huge metrics but 5 organic keywords listed in Google

[wanipo]

i seen in 2021 DA/PA not like important, cause i see on google rank in page 1 high TF/CF and using old domains pbn to rank in google