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    Default Terms that make you go Hmmmm

    In this case a player term.

    On some Rival (white label as far as I know) casinos there is this fairly new term that says:

    If you choose an offer of 100% or more, then you cannot wager on 1 game only. Your wagering needs to be spread across a minimum of 10 different games. Please note that the reason for this is to prevent churning away wagering requirements on 1 game on auto-play.
    Which of course is followed by:

    Any irregular play will result in immediate disqualification from a bonus and the casino reserves the rights to withhold any withdrawals and/or confiscate all winnings.
    Several questions on this naturally.

    Firstly. Is the player permitted to play one cent on ten games to meet the requirement? Then be permitted play the game they enjoy?

    Secondly. If so, does that then qualify for irregular play? Such worries for the player that just wants to play.

    In other words, if you only play one game your chances of winning are far greater. This term confirms that playing one game is advantageous. Thanks for the tip Rival.

    Therefore, the casino must act against it for those terrible players who have a couple favorite games. Or, have the nerve to play only one game.

    Surely spreading your play over ten games minimizes your chance of meeting the playthrough. Otherwise this term would not exist. Further, if you do it wrong they will penalize you with irregular play.

    This is old time/wild west casino terms that I thought we were done with long ago.
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    Wow a horrible term, good catch Mojo.

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    I don't play online but I think bonus terms have become worse over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slotplayer View Post
    I don't play online but I think bonus terms have become worse over the years.
    I have always played online (I miss MGS).

    I feel terms have become much better than back in the day Jim. Players are more aware as well. This term takes us 3 steps back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo View Post
    I have always played online (I miss MGS).

    I feel terms have become much better than back in the day Jim. Players are more aware as well. This term takes us 3 steps back.
    I played for a spell back in the MG days and tried RTG 3 years ago. I don't recall the max bet rule back in the MG days, that's why I say they've gotten worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slotplayer View Post
    I don't recall the max bet rule back in the MG days that's why I say they've gotten worse.
    Yes. The max bet rule is another to watch for. Things that make you go Hmmm! Thank you for mentioning that.

    I believe that started with MGS. Suddenly out of the blue with some unhappy players getting the shaft with the new rule that you couldn't play more than a certain % of your deposit. Do they make this **** up as they go along?

    If casinos don't want players to utilize the well thought out (NOT) bonuses then don't offer them!

    The 'play ten games' rule is just idiotic IMO. Players are potentially blindsided with it and will not come back.

    Let me tell you though as a player. If my winnings were taken because of this rule, they would hear a thing or two from me. 10 games? WTH

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo View Post
    Yes. The max bet rule is another to watch for. Things that make you go Hmmm! Thank you for mentioning that.

    I believe that started with MGS. Suddenly out of the blue with some unhappy players getting the shaft with the new rule that you couldn't play more than a certain % of your deposit. Do they make this **** up as they go along?

    If casinos don't want players to utilize the well thought out (NOT) bonuses then don't offer them!

    The 'play ten games' rule is just idiotic IMO. Players are potentially blindsided with it and will not come back.

    Let me tell you though as a player. If my winnings were taken because of this rule, they would hear a thing or two from me. 10 games? WTH
    If the software does not automatically prompt the player to switch games due to potential violation of the term - then the term is subject to abuse - by the operator.

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    The 'play ten games' rule is just idiotic IMO. Players are potentially blindsided with it and will not come back.
    I highly agree with this point.

    I think you are on to something Mojo, I do think that some properties are just making this crap up as they go along.

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    I've never had much success promoting Rival in general.

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    This is a self created green card for the casino to just about take anyone's winnings who makes use of the bonus, if and whenever they so feel like it. Not nice at all.

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    The difference between the join bonuses offered at these casinos - and the simplistic join bonuses at sportsbooks are worlds apart.

    I like to think of myself as a clever person - but I doubt that I could work out whether I was complying with the myriad of different rules, restrictions and calculations of playthrough that have been listed above. 10 different games? 30% max bet? some say not allowed to vary bet sizes, while some say not allowed to keep them the same (its a 'system"? WTF?), different playthrough considerations, some games off limits , etc, etc, /.. just WTF?


    If a bonus is that complicated - it needs the casino to provide an app in the players account to show all the conditions and make sure it's been matched. That is of course assuming that the intent of the bonus is a genuine one - and not just setting up a snatch and grab.

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    I agree to Mojo that terms have become better over the last years. Must be also because more players are acting more careful and are informing themselves about bonusterms and general terms and conditions if they play at online casino. So, in the near future I would even expect quite a few casinos to make their terms clearer and user-friendly. Many players know meanwhile that a bonus is just as good as its terms and useless if the bonusterms are ridiculous. So, I think casinos are well adviced to keep that in mind when creating terms and conditions to get clients that come back after their first visits.

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