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    Default Where do find a poker article writer that doesn't cost an arm and a leg?

    Hi guys, I'm looking for a poker writer to write about poker (eg room reviews, poker tips). I'm looking for 100% unique articles. I'm looking to pay somewhere in the range of $10-$30 per article. The Fiverr writers that I've dealt with the past for other projects told me that they don't touch gambling.

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    I think maybe you're starting too broad.

    If you want the articles for search engines, you have zero chance at $10-$30 a go with any professional writing sources (or even educated non-professional unless you could find an aspiring writer at somewhere like Reddit that... 1. understands poker, and 2. understands how to write for both search engines and people at the same time). Although, in theory, you could try an AI tool to get baseline content and then improve it/rewrite it yourself.

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    If you want them for human readers that will get value from reading the content, then you need to target............

    Examples : An article titled 'online poker bonuses' is impossible to achieve for $30 (unless, as before, you AI it and rewrite)

    An article titled 'what is a bad beat jackpot?' may be achievable (but again, only from a non-professional writer that understands poker, or an AI tool that understands bad beat jackpots...and - either way - you will need to edit.)


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    If you want them as filler (for neither of the above, and just so you have a populated website on which you can apply some form of advertising)....then AI will deliver and I'd venture to suggest it's your most viable option at the price points you have in mind.

    I have heard of webmasters finding people on Reddit that will write reasonably well (very well, in some cases) ....but I would heavily suspect $30 will be too low even for that option if you were able to identify someone.

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    I have to agree totally with chaumi.

    Good writers will take per 1 k words even more than 60 $.

    People with skills and knowledge will not take even under 50 $.

    Regarding " Bad Beat Jackpot" - for such articles it has to be a over 2-3k words , written by someone who knows what stands behind the scenes with all the grammar in poker and keywords density.

    Do not go cheap in terms of content for less money...

    Also in order to write about poker , you need to be experienced and to know the game....
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    OR, you could hire one of the many MANY writers here at the GPWA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by universal4 View Post
    OR, you could hire one of the many MANY writers here at the GPWA.

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    I suspect the price expectations are the problem here, Rick. The professional firms I know of here would be choking on their cornflakes at the words '$10 to $30 an article'. Add some zeros here and there, maybe.

    Meistro could do it, maybe. But I think he's tied up for the foreseeable future...and possibly doesn't cover poker anyway.


    PS And OP....keep this in mind.....anyone offering very cheap writing services is highly likely to be using AI to do it. Not everyone, of course, but plenty, I suspect. PPS And I am not referring to Meistro here, but for example, plenty of Fiverr type writers.
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    Depends what an arm and a leg is. If you want cheap content, you will get poorly written articles or likely something that has been written in a native language and crudely translated. Given content is a huge factor in user experience and search rankings, it isn't something you should be going for on the cheap in my opinion. Most agencies are also unlikely to specialise in poker so you'll get generic content.

    The fact you want 100% unique and presumably good quality doesn't align with your budget.

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    You'll do a lot better with fewer articles of higher quality than you will with more articles of lower quality. You're not doing yourself, your website, or your readers any favors by going the quantity over quality route. Chaumi is right about the prevalence of AI content, too, and that's all crap.
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    Hey Randy Ray! I'm a long time reader of your blog PokerSeo.org. Your site is really helpful. Nice to see you here.

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    Thanks for the reply Chaumi. I've heard good things about AI writers. I have Rytr and it works pretty well. Do you recommend any particular AI writer?

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    Thanks for the helpful insight Randy. Do you have a recommendation for the minimum about of pages a poker affiliate site should have? Do 10-page minisites still work in 2022? Thanks

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    I don't think you should lock yourself in to any minimum or maximum,

    Start covering topic that you think are a fit, whether you write them or others doesn't change that.

    If you got 4 done, great, ad more when you can, some even say adding on a regular schedule is very effective.

    Once you got 10, why stop there? If a topic comes to mind that hasn't been covered yet, add more.
    Once you got 20, why stop there? If a topic comes to mind that hasn't been covered yet, add more.
    Once you got 30, why stop there? If a topic comes to mind that hasn't been covered yet, add more.

    etc etc etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by northwester View Post
    Thanks for the helpful insight Randy. Do you have a recommendation for the minimum about of pages a poker affiliate site should have? Do 10-page minisites still work in 2022? Thanks
    There's something I read for the first time probably about 15, maybe longer, years ago. Never forgot it. Have a guess where from, and from who's hand.........



    I launched maybe 10 crappy gambling sites with about 10 crappy pages on each of them when I first got started in this business. None of them got very much traffic, and I didn’t make much money with them. But I launched a poker site and wrote good content for it, and lots of it. When I hit 100 pages of real content, I emailed Steve Badger bragging about my 100 pages of content. He emailed me back, “Great. Now you finally have a real website.”
    Having lots of pages of good content is the best SEO strategy you can have for 3 reasons:

    1. Each page gives a search engine new keyword phrases to rank you for and send traffic from.
    2. Each good quality page of content gives other webmasters and bloggers another reason to link to your site, which will help you rank better.
    3. Every page on your site has links to your other pages. Links from your own site count too.

    You don’t stop at 100 pages, by the way. Keep going. More pages = more traffic. More traffic = more money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by northwester View Post
    Thanks for the reply Chaumi. I've heard good things about AI writers. I have Rytr and it works pretty well. Do you recommend any particular AI writer?

    Read these, Northwester..........

    https://www.gpwa.org/forum/ai-based-content-generator-tools-your-opinion-259077.html



    https://www.gpwa.org/forum/can-ai-powerful-force-content-creation-260360.html


    I know (or at least think) what you're aiming for here is not to end up with a site that's 'good' (ie the content is valuable to search engines and visitors, it has longevity, you can be proud of what you achieved by your own hand), but one that's just about populated enough that you can send paid ad traffic to it and make money.

    I do have to say, I don't think it's an approach that will work. Maybe I'm wrong, I've never done it.

    If you're determined to make that attempt, then AI will probably give you the basic content you'd need to get 50 pages up (if you choose the subjects wisely ie ones that the AI will be able to 'write' about reasonably accurately)

    It'll cost (the cost of the tool). It'll cost in time (the time of learning how to most effectively use the tool).

    You will have to spend time editing/improving...or else you will have readable output that's basically just rechurned 'rubbish on the internet' that (from a true value perspective) will just join all the other rubbish on the internet.


    PS I'd say Jarvis is the one that most SEO's seem to rate as the current gold standard. But new ones appear almost weekly.
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    It's essentially the case of you get what you pay for. As many others have said, there is no way in hell you'll get a quality article for that price.

    And while many iGaming writers can easily cover sports betting and casino, obviously for a much higher price than you are targeting, true poker writers who know the game inside out are way more difficult to find, which is likely to drive the price up even more.

    For example, we have 15-20 high quality English writers, and not a single poker specialist among them. Obviously a few of them can certainly write about poker, but that particular piece of content might not be of the absolute highest quality due to the lack of poker knowledge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by northwester View Post
    Hey Randy Ray! I'm a long time reader of your blog PokerSeo.org. Your site is really helpful. Nice to see you here.
    I should probably overhaul that site. I haven't worked on it in years. Glad you found some value there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaumi View Post
    There's something I read for the first time probably about 15, maybe longer, years ago. Never forgot it. Have a guess where from, and from who's hand.........



    I launched maybe 10 crappy gambling sites with about 10 crappy pages on each of them when I first got started in this business. None of them got very much traffic, and I didn’t make much money with them. But I launched a poker site and wrote good content for it, and lots of it. When I hit 100 pages of real content, I emailed Steve Badger bragging about my 100 pages of content. He emailed me back, “Great. Now you finally have a real website.”
    Having lots of pages of good content is the best SEO strategy you can have for 3 reasons:

    1. Each page gives a search engine new keyword phrases to rank you for and send traffic from.
    2. Each good quality page of content gives other webmasters and bloggers another reason to link to your site, which will help you rank better.
    3. Every page on your site has links to your other pages. Links from your own site count too.

    You don’t stop at 100 pages, by the way. Keep going. More pages = more traffic. More traffic = more money.
    I remember writing this. The first website I built was built using a product Godaddy used to shill called Website Tonight. it was awful. Thank God I finally learned to use Frontpage and (eventually) Dreamweaver. The rumors that I used to build sites in Notepage are false, by the way, although I'd also been accused of typing the HTML code on paper and mailing them to my secret webmaster.

    And oh how terrible my first websites were.

    I wrote so slowly in those days, too -- I remember taking 5 hours to write a 500-word review of Party Poker back then, and it wasn't even a good review. The best way to improve writing speed and skill is practice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaumi View Post
    I suspect the price expectations are the problem here, Rick. The professional firms I know of here would be choking on their cornflakes at the words '$10 to $30 an article'. Add some zeros here and there, maybe.
    You misspelt "caviar".

    I clicked one writers link on here for Fiverr and they were charging over €450 for 1 article in the casino niche! The only way I could justify that kind of money was if the article contained the source code for the slot they were writing about and it also included how we could get around the RNG that slot used!

    All joking aside I think what drifter8 said sounds like a great idea. Get on Reddit and speak to people that know what they are on about. Also check out the dedicated Poker forums and speak to people on there.

    Good luck

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