Casinomeister Banned From CAP

[mojo]

No, well, errm, there ain't alot of webmasters who allow posters to say this, or say that, and so on. There's a bit of hoohah going on at the moment like as if it's something especial to Cap, but it's not.

I dare say if you want to get back into Cap, Dominique will oblige when she returns from Blighty. Reopening multiple accounts is not something i'd advise though.

I don't know if it's entirely fair to compare the incredible mass amount of bannings at Cap with other forums. What Andre described is typical Cap behavior and what Dom is trying to address. I agree it's not a good idea to open new accounts.

[AndreS]

I have no desire to have any of my accounts opened up at CAP again, several of my staff were banned as well. I have no desire to go to their events ever again, either. I just want everyone to see all that is going on over there, which goes well beyond the Cardspike issue. Currently, all they do is shut people up who have a differing opinion and all that is left are the people who kiss their staffs' a** and succumb to every word that they say. Meanwhile, the people who are ignorant to all these issues only see the kiss a** stuff and thus they are being led in the wrong direction, and that is not fair to them.

Point being, when people are brainwashed, they need to be de-brainwashed and that takes repetitive effort to inform them of the truth. And when the truth starts to come out from forum members there, suddenly those forum members are banned.

[Fergie]

There's a bit of hoohah going on at the moment like as if it's something especial to Cap, but it's not.

Sorry, Joeyl, you're wrong. The nature of CAP bannings is very much special to CAP. Remember, we're talking about a professional community here. Members are people who do this for a living, so a community has, in my opinion, more responsibility to its members than a community of social nature would. For more information, read threads and I'm sure it will become clear to you what's different about CAP bannings beyond what I've said.

EG: Banning people then editing their posts to make the banned people look bad. Not great in a world where networking is important for business.
Banning people and changing their avatars and/or descriptions. I may be wrong, but I believe one must log into the banned person's account in order to do so. That alone is incredibly out of line.

Just a couple things that make a CAP banning special.

[TheGooner]

Remember, we're talking about a professional community here. Members are people who do this for a living.

Except of course that's not quite true - I suspect that only about 10%-20% of the members at CAP / GPWA et.al. actually do it for a living and the rest are dabbling around the edges and creating a lot of distracting noise.

It's a community with some professional members, some part-timers, some wannabees, and some trolls. And the category that each member belongs in is frankly pretty obvious in most cases.

Deleting abusive posts, banning troll members, moderation of comments are part and parcel of my own running an active forum. Additionally, I've frequently altered posts as a forum administrator (removing URLs, cutting out abuse) when a post is basically good and can be saved.

As with all things it's not black and white, and the suggest that the CAP community automatically = BAD is false in my opinion, and the product of shrill schreeching by a minority with an agenda due to past falling out.

However, that fact notwithstanding .... the standard of conduct at CAP by the administrators and owners when it comes to altering posts and creating false information to deliberately belittle people is trite, and indefensible.

[mojo]

Good points Gooner. However, let us not forget what else makes Cap unique. Such as logging into members accounts and pretending to be them and actually posting like here:

http://www.pokeraffiliatelistings.co...r-my-name.html

Also attempted hacking:

http://www.gambling911.com/gambling-...ng-012509.html

I'd say that makes cap pretty unique. I don't know any other forum that would do this.

...the product of shrill schreeching by a minority with an agenda due to past falling out.

It's not such a minority anymore as we can see, and why more and more question who really has the agenda that is an over used defense.

[AndreS]

Gooner, the problem is that the people who are getting kicked out are not the trolls, they are very respected and seasoned veterans of this industry who have always supported CAP. Don't you think it's fishy that the majority of people getting kicked out are so prominent in the industry? Don't you think that may be because those people have better knowledge of what's really going on at CAP and could really ruin CAP's credibility?

[pdjoe]

Deleting abusive posts, banning troll members, moderation of comments are part and parcel of my own running an active forum. Additionally, I've frequently altered posts as a forum administrator (removing URLs, cutting out abuse) when a post is basically good and can be saved.

On the same scale Gooner? If thats true, I would really be disappointed?

Hope thats not the case with you.

[pdjoe]

Feeling the need to exand on that.

In over 5 years at my forum with but a 1,000 menbers "and I know thats small" right now, I have banned less than 5. I would like to know how CAP compares to that lol. Seems more like a daily delivery of bannings Between CAP and PAP.

[Fergie]

Hmmm, gooner. I'm pretty sure that Bryan Bailey, Mojo, Michael Corfman, myself, Arkyt, pdjoe, Jeremy Enke and other poker affiliates, and so on...all banned members from CAP/PAP are making their livings as gambling/poker affiliates.

Frankly, it's we folks who rely on this industry to put food on the table who are more likely to speak up when something is wrong than those who are merely dabbling in it. Things just matter more to us.

"... a minority with an agenda due to past falling out." You've said that before, but repeating it doesn't make it accurate.

Yes, people who have been banned and had their posts edited to make them look bad are much more likely to speak out. You bet. Just like people who have have an employee steal from the cash register - they're going to make sure future employers know what they're dealing with. If you insist on calling that an agenda, then go ahead. If you're trying to shame people from speaking out with the truth as they know it about the character of the men in question, it isn't going to work, and it rather makes you seem like a bully. I, for one, am tired of bullies in this industry.

Oh, and I run a rather large forum - not related to this industry, and I have not banned one member yet. Exceptional moderation, including warnings, has kept the community working like clockwork for almost 4 years now.

[Dominique]

Actually, I have seen the ban list and it is a very small number of members over 8 years, like 20 or so. Some of these are all of you guys posting here who know me from CAP, some are "one post wonders" whom I don't recognize and likely spammers.

However, I am not seeing some names I should, and assume they are in access masks.

I communicated with andres and found the thread and see absolutely zero reason for this banning.

I have to catch a plane now, the timing of this is driving me nuts because I am unable to follow through on anything at all.

I will have to wait til I am back home next week to start to actually work on stuff.

I will check in from London, but I don't think there can be any progress until I am not stuck in meetings and have access to my own computer again.

[shaz]

After reading all the above, I can see why I've never frequented the CAP very much.

IMO there's a lot of attempts at trying to trash good and decent people at that particular forum.

All this fuss with the Casinomeister just proves the "non-sense" of it all.

It wouldn't bother me if I were to be banned, and I'm sure it hasn't adversely affected those who have been. It's only made CAP look even less appealing than previously.