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    Quote Originally Posted by FictionNet View Post
    I received two requests yesterday for my personal documentation, purely for stupid UK reasons.

    Neither are getting my docs.
    What would you do? Stop working with them?

    I prefer not to share my ID docs and such, but don't understand how it risks me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMM View Post
    What would you do? Stop working with them?

    I prefer not to share my ID docs and such, but don't understand how it risks me?
    For the most part, yes - we stop working with them and invite them to close our accounts as they generally won't pay for already-sent players.

    For some months now, we've had a prepared list of how we'll react to every program we work with who might demand personal docs. The vast majority are to be refused and our relationship terminated. A very small number will get edited docs if I've met the company reps involved and I know who will have access - they have to be discussed on a case-by-case basis and in only a couple of cases I've already provided those docs.

    Any company moving forward, I check first if they require loopy UK docs. If they do, it's a short conversation. I've been busy making new connections and in any event, the majority of (UK regulated) programs that I work with have not even asked me for anything.

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    My guess every UK program will ask. Was asked by plenty of them. Actually few i forgot to answer but nothing happened.

    Which docs you mean? just ID or more. As just ID i less mind (again, maybe mistaken).

    If you don't mind explaining what worries you about sending ID - I would appreciate it. (can be PM)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGooner View Post
    As the flow of funds is one-way from program to affiliate, the onus is on the program to validate the recipient of funds.
    So ... unless affiliates are suddenly paying out money to programs ... there is no real requirement for program documents to be sent to affiliates.

    Mind you - I'd love to see them - and have AM's understand the intrusion ...
    Depends on local rules and legislation. But it's clear that programs consider it one-way traffic and do not want to help affiliates to comply with things they have to comply with.

    A Curacao or Costa Rica company is a bigger risk to money laundering or tax fraud than some EU company that is registrered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FictionNet View Post
    Yesterday, I was looking over some of the always inconsistent requirements from casinos/networks and the various docs that apparently are or are not required depending on which company or person you happen to be dealing with that day.

    Handing over passports, bank statements, driving licences, government IDs and in some cases ALOT more personal information, is downright dangerous.
    As a company we've handed copies of certificates of incorporation, and ownership (public records) which provide a lot of verification, and also drivers licenses of key shareholders (myself and my partner). Some have required a copy of bank statement if paying to bank account.

    I've not had to show passports etc yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by FictionNet View Post
    I'd rather work with every grey-market non-compliant casino than be foolish enough to send these docs and my personal information to unknown people in other countries when I KNOW for a fact that it is highly risky to put it mildly. Our industry is full of dodgepots who would not blink at using my personal data and docs against me if I decided to go to war with them online over an issue.
    Agreed. Our policy of only working with best-of-breed has made me more comfortable in sending details to those that have asked.

    BTW - Grey market program PinnacleSports also asked for verification - so even grey markets are starting to do this.

    Quote Originally Posted by FictionNet View Post
    I would be even more insane than I already am to comply. And I will not. The rest of you can feel free to do as you choose.
    It's not a free world any more - so this approach would leave me without many options at all. Many of these places require ID and Address verification for players - so I am comfortable doing so as a remote business partner.

    However, I did balk at the requirements of Interwetten who claimed that the Maltese variant required me to also fetch a copy of a police record for all company directors (I didn't know if there was a local process for this - after research I found there is), along with many other things like statements and multiple IDs, then get them ALL notorised by an attorney or Justice of the Peace, and physically send them to Interwetten in Malta.

    We'd been working with them since 1999 - but this was a step too far. We are no longer working with them.
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    I dont share my Docs,because I know what's going to happen- sooner or later...
    Just enter the Darknet....thousends ways to buy Credit Card / ID copys and much more....ripped/hacked or shared from casinos.
    The seller,makes no secret of where this data comes from...

    On the other side,if u give your stuff away...u have or u should be nice to this brand....

    Btw... 0 closed accounts on my end....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Progger View Post
    I dont share my Docs,because I know what's going to happen- sooner or later...
    Just enter the Darknet....thousends ways to buy Credit Card / ID copys and much more....ripped/hacked or shared from casinos.
    The seller,makes no secret of where this data comes from...

    On the other side,if u give your stuff away...u have or u should be nice to this brand....

    Btw... 0 closed accounts on my end....

    Regards
    You didn't send any KYC docs to anyone and no accounts were closed? How do you do that?

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    I haven't sent to few just cause didn't get to it and none was closed. I think the programs are so buried with docs that they don't know left and right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMM View Post
    I haven't sent to few just cause didn't get to it and none was closed. I think the programs are so buried with docs that they don't know left and right.

    Yes, I've had an account closed while I've sent the documents. At White Hat. Later, they've re-opened it, after they found out that I did hand over the documents.

    Some others I did not send the documents, but they keep asking for business. Not working with them very actively. Perhaps they'll put some more pressure if it's about payouts.

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