refuse to pay me what I should

[lautarogc]

after spending 6 months working with acerevenue It informed me that my account would be changed to REVShare I was asked to open a new account Now, I only receive payments for the new account, I received 76 dollars the last month, but no news from my old account where I keep getting around 10 new deposits each month, 5 months ago, i did not send traffic to that account It's a shame, I received from 1000 to 1600 every month of acerevenue, when I change REVShare step 100 to 200 dollars However, I observed a lot of money generated by my old account but they say they can not pay me because that money is generated by the same players that made me lose my cpa.

I have all the e-mails to prove that the treatment was different.

I hope can help me as they did in the past

[Amateur]

Please explain how players who generate income can lose your CPA deal? Anf if they want to change your deal, then the old players have to be included as well.

This is not ethical and should be investigated.

[lautarogc]

PM sent: I enclose the copy that I get when I was informed that my account would be changed "cpa to revshare"

[lautarogc]

february 2010

began to pay me this month REVShare ... ACEREVENUE forced me to accept this way of commission.
Earn $ 273 this month vs $ 3500 I should have earning

1. Clickthroughs 3953
2. Downloads 3363
3. Installs 1882
4. Signups 1433
5. New Depositors 28
6. Earnings $3,500.00

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March 2010 earn $91.38 with 1418 SignUps

1. Clickthroughs 3437
2. Downloads 3353
3. Installs 1816
4. Signups 1418
5. New Depositors 22<input name="ad" value="50" type="hidden">
6. Amount Banned $50.00
7. Initial Deposits $735.95
8. Total Deposits $1,583.95
9. Withdrawals $-120.00
10. NET Win $35,543.03
11. Credits $-18,325.61
12. Coupons $53,765.70
13. Chargebacks $0.00
14. NET Profit $102.94
15. Earnings $91.38

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June - revenue of $ 2,254.05. but did not pay me. Here for example acerevenue claim that this commission was created by players who deposited before January

1. Clickthroughs 165
2. Downloads 286
3. Installs 59
4. Signups 85
5. New Depositors 5<input name="ad" value="0" type="hidden">
6. Amount Banned $0.00
7. Initial Deposits $130.00
8. Total Deposits $1,895.00
9. Withdrawals $0.00
10. NET Win $10,753.62
11. Credits $-3,013.27
12. Coupons $7,326.75
13. Chargebacks $0.00
14. NET Profit $6,440.14
15. Earnings $2,254.05

Here are some examples of what was happening each month

[Redbush54]

Here's another thread where there's been no communication from the program. Can we have an update here?

[AndrewG]

february 2010

began to pay me this month REVShare ... ACEREVENUE forced me to accept this way of commission.
Earn $ 273 this month vs $ 3500 I should have earning

1. Clickthroughs 3953
2. Downloads 3363
3. Installs 1882
4. Signups 1433
5. New Depositors 28
6. Earnings $3,500.00

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March 2010 earn $91.38 with 1418 SignUps

1. Clickthroughs 3437
2. Downloads 3353
3. Installs 1816
4. Signups 1418
5. New Depositors 22<input name="ad" value="50" type="hidden">
6. Amount Banned $50.00
7. Initial Deposits $735.95
8. Total Deposits $1,583.95
9. Withdrawals $-120.00
10. NET Win $35,543.03
11. Credits $-18,325.61
12. Coupons $53,765.70
13. Chargebacks $0.00
14. NET Profit $102.94
15. Earnings $91.38

---------------------------------

June - revenue of $ 2,254.05. but did not pay me. Here for example acerevenue claim that this commission was created by players who deposited before January

1. Clickthroughs 165
2. Downloads 286
3. Installs 59
4. Signups 85
5. New Depositors 5<input name="ad" value="0" type="hidden">
6. Amount Banned $0.00
7. Initial Deposits $130.00
8. Total Deposits $1,895.00
9. Withdrawals $0.00
10. NET Win $10,753.62
11. Credits $-3,013.27
12. Coupons $7,326.75
13. Chargebacks $0.00
14. NET Profit $6,440.14
15. Earnings $2,254.05

Here are some examples of what was happening each month

Hi,

We are currently dealing with this matter privately.

regards,

The Acerevenue Team

[Chips]

Please explain how players who generate income can lose your CPA deal? Anf if they want to change your deal, then the old players have to be included as well.

This is not ethical and should be investigated.

But, if you are compensated via CPA for the players, the revenue generated would not carry over unless it was a hybrid deal and the op was getting both CPA and rev share.

If it was straight CPA, then you would only get paid once per new player regardless if they continued to play, deposit, lose.

So, if the plan was changed to rev share, you would only earn on the new players as you would have (or should have) been compensated when the players signed up and fulfilled the requirements of the CPA plan.

[arkyt]

Clickthroughs 3437
Downloads 3353
Installs 1816
Signups 1418

WOW - nearly every single clicktrough generated a download with more than half of those installing and almost half signing up...

Please feel free to PM me - where are you getting your traffic? Truly sounds too good to be true, but would love to learn from you.

[AndrewG]

Hi,

Lautaro was asked to stop promoting us. We were paying him a CPA for more than 6 months, and not only were we in negative net gaming revenue, we were also paying a CPA. It was a double whammy. Yet, we continued to pay him for his poor traffic. It came a point where we could stand to lose no more.
hold on.

Lautaro was asked to stop promoting us or to accept a deal on Rev Share. We had a Spanish person speak to him in Spanish. He agreed to open a new account and start delivering players there. This was to help us limit our losses. He agreed. We have continued to pay him on his old account from the traffic he delivered, even after communicating with him.

If you need any further clarification please PM. I will be happy to answer any questions.

Regards,
The Acerevenue Affilaite team

[lautarogc]

Lautaro was asked to stop promoting us or to accept a deal on Rev Share. We had a Spanish person speak to him in Spanish. He agreed to open a new account and start delivering players there. We have continued to pay him on his old account from the traffic he delivered, even after communicating with him

1. I was forced to accept revshare.
2. I was forced to open a new account
3. I was forced to add banners and content
4. If I was not following these steps, they warned me that it would not receive my commissions per February, when I finished these steps paid to me in April. they should have paid to me in March.
5. Only there I received 2 months of my old account. in two cases I communicated by mail to ask them for this, since it was noticing in my statistics that the profit was increasing, but it was never received the money for other months.

for all people: I apologize to them because my English is not the best. the person who works for me and talk in English, went to rest

for andrewG: also I apologize to you. I never wanted to be in this situation.
But acerevenue it is only a small portion of my business in the network. other similar casinos that I promote are very satisfied with my performance, the traffic that he sent to acerevenue can be very poor for you. but the same traffic in similar casinos they work very well.
Because they must always see to his affiliates as swindlers?
should not they try to compensate the profit so that we gain the two?
But in this case, you always end up by winning, he would prefer that they accept his mistake on having proceeded with me and that we could begin again and split the benefits of my traffic generated.

greetings

[Daera]

1. I was forced to accept revshare.
2. I was forced to open a new account
3. I was forced to add banners and content
4. If I was not following these steps, they warned me that it would not receive my commissions per February, when I finished these steps paid to me in April. they should have paid to me in March.
5. Only there I received 2 months of my old account. in two cases I communicated by mail to ask them for this, since it was noticing in my statistics that the profit was increasing, but it was never received the money for other months.

for all people: I apologize to them because my English is not the best. the person who works for me and talk in English, went to rest

for andrewG: also I apologize to you. I never wanted to be in this situation.
But acerevenue it is only a small portion of my business in the network. other similar casinos that I promote are very satisfied with my performance, the traffic that he sent to acerevenue can be very poor for you. but the same traffic in similar casinos they work very well.
Because they must always see to his affiliates as swindlers?
should not they try to compensate the profit so that we gain the two?
But in this case, you always end up by winning, he would prefer that they accept his mistake on having proceeded with me and that we could begin again and split the benefits of my traffic generated.

greetings

I'm a little confused reading through this. It's not uncommon for a program to discontinue a CPA deal with an affiliate if their not bringing in traffic that is profitable. I think you're being a little dramatic to say that you were forced to do this and forced to do that. I doubt anyone was twisting your arm, forcing you to do anything. It sounds to me like they simply told you that they were ending your CPA deal. That's their right to do so.

I'm really confused with what you're saying. Is your CPA and Rev Share accounts separate? I would think they are, and that you wouldn't be paid for anymore traffic to a CPA account if they've told you already to end that.

I'm not sure what part you're complaining about not being paid on.

[thepokerkeep]

Hi Daera,

I agree with you, Lautaro is over reacting and his complaints don't appear to have any merit.

I think Andrew did a good job of explaing the process they undertook with Lautaro and I think they treated him very fairly considering they were losing money on his referred players.

As much as I hate to post in support of Ace Revenue, I think they've acted honorably here.

Hi,

Lautaro was asked to stop promoting us. We were paying him a CPA for more than 6 months, and not only were we in negative net gaming revenue, we were also paying a CPA. It was a double whammy. Yet, we continued to pay him for his poor traffic. It came a point where we could stand to lose no more.
hold on.

Lautaro was asked to stop promoting us or to accept a deal on Rev Share. We had a Spanish person speak to him in Spanish. He agreed to open a new account and start delivering players there. This was to help us limit our losses. He agreed. We have continued to pay him on his old account from the traffic he delivered, even after communicating with him.

If you need any further clarification please PM. I will be happy to answer any questions.

Regards,
The Acerevenue Affilaite team

[lautarogc]

thepokerkeep, do we agree that you are not impartial in this matter? thanks

Daera I'm a little confused reading through this. It's not uncommon for a program to discontinue a CPA deal with an affiliate if their not bringing in traffic that is profitable. I think you're being a little dramatic to say that you were forced to do this and forced to do that. I doubt anyone was twisting your arm, forcing you to do anything. It sounds to me like they simply told you that they were ending your CPA deal. That's their right to do so.

I'm really confused with what you're saying. Is your CPA and Rev Share accounts separate? I would think they are, and that you wouldn't be paid for anymore traffic to a CPA account if they've told you already to end that.

I'm not sure what part you're complaining about not being paid on.

six months after working with acerevenue, they changed my account of cpa towards revshare.

he promised me to him to pay to me the revshare that kept on generating my old account.
This did not happen.
I saw that my old account was accumulating A fair amount of profit for me. BUT on having finished the month, the money was not coming.
When I communicate by mail to complain, they informs me that the profit that were generated was for the players for whom he had already received a cpa.
there surprised something since there were many initial deposits per month.

[thepokerkeep]

I'm completely impartial in this case. In fact, considering the reputation of Aced Revenue, I am surprised to see myself agreeing with them. Personally, I wouldn't do business with them if they were the last affiliate program on earth. I have marked them rogue on my affiliate aid site.

thepokerkeep, do we agree that you are not impartial in this matter? thanks



six months after working with acerevenue, they changed my account of cpa towards revshare.

he promised me to him to pay to me the revshare that kept on generating my old account.
This did not happen.
I saw that my old account was accumulating A fair amount of profit for me. BUT on having finished the month, the money was not coming.
When I communicate by mail to complain, they informs me that the profit that were generated was for the players for whom he had already received a cpa.
there surprised something since there were many initial deposits per month.

[Daera]

I also don't promote any of their casinos. Although I do get regular payments from them for Slot Madness which they took over.

he promised me to him to pay to me the revshare that kept on generating my old account. This did not happen.

I don't understand this part. So they didn't separate your CPA and Rev Share with different accounts? They told you to keep using the old account and they'd pay you Rev Share on it? Is that what you're saying?

I've never had an RTG account that had both CPA and Revshare players mixed together.

[lautarogc]

I will try to explain better: i had one account with cpa, as the traffic

was not good for 5 month, they changed me to revenue share, for that

reason, asked me to create a new account, to separate the new players who

will be paid by revenue share comission. I changed all my links for this

new account, but, off course, the old account, up to this date, are

generating traffic and 10 depositors by month aproximately. So, if i have

$1000 earned by revenue share from my old account last month (august), and

the 7 depositors, plus the other new depositors, from april, may, june and

july, i think that is rare that, all of this new depositors, did not

generate any comissions for this month. That is the reason why i am

complaining, last month i did not receive any cent by my old account,

despite they generated $1000 dolars, and the other last two month i had to

comunicate him, that they have to pay me my comissions for my old account

too, because they did not do it alone, ( i think they have to know it and

make the payments without the reminder of the affiliates) So, my answer

is, if is common, that the ammount of earned by revenue share (+ $1000)

only was generated by the old depositors, and any dolars by the new one.

im sure that they do not make the revisions, one by one, but they have to,

because is his duty and obligation and is a right for me. Im only ask that they

do this revision every month for my old account, to stop with this

confusion, and this injustice for me, because i work not only for my

convenience but for both.

valerya

[arkyt]

he promised me to him to pay to me the revshare that kept on generating my old account.

If the old account is generating "new players" then IMO you should be getting revshare on those new players. Why isn't that happening?

[thepokerkeep]

He has supposedly changed his links and banners to reflect the new account. Plus, Ace Revenue already paid him cpa for the players generated on the old account. The new players should be coming in on his new rev share account. If they aren't, he needs to find the links he forgot to change and get them off his site. Also, according to Andrew, Ace has paid him for his cpa players even beyond the date they cut off his cpa deal so it sounds to me like Ace has done everything they can to accommodate this affiliate.

[arkyt]

It might be that easy if the new players were only being generated through internet links that could easily be changed, but what if snail-mailers were sent out with a code or a link? What if flyers were on windshields at the local mall with a code or a link? What if he posted posters in the local restaurants with codes and links? Maybe he sent out 1 million spam messages with a link that cant be changed?

Beats me - he didnt take me up on my invitation to pm me with info about his techniques. No doubt his signup to download to click ratio is amazing and makes me doubt the validity of the numbers, but if "new" players are in fact depositing and losing - he should be getting paid revshare on them.

And I fully agree - certainly all the old players which were paid on CPA should not figure into that revshare, but these are apparantly new players - at least according to the OP.

[lautarogc]

It might be that easy if the new players were only being generated through internet links that could easily be changed, but what if snail-mailers were sent out with a code or a link? What if flyers were on windshields at the local mall with a code or a link? What if he posted posters in the local restaurants with codes and links? Maybe he sent out 1 million spam messages with a link that cant be changed?

Beats me - he didnt take me up on my invitation to pm me with info about his techniques. No doubt his signup to download to click ratio is amazing and makes me doubt the validity of the numbers, but if "new" players are in fact depositing and losing - he should be getting paid revshare on them.

And I fully agree - certainly all the old players which were paid on CPA should not figure into that revshare, but these are apparantly new players - at least according to the OP.

arkyt explains it perfectly

An Example: 10000 sign ups and 100 "CPA" deposits already payed in six months ->
Changed to revshare ->
Stop promoting this account ->
9900 sign ups available (not yet make a deposit)->
10 a 15 new depositors per month ->
new comission generated ->
mo
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