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    Angry End of my rope!

    When I search no deposit mojo (my site) on google, I have a ton of scrapers. They all start with numbers. They copy everything I have. I have gone to whois and written google a bunch of times but I fear pretty soon I'll be gone.

    I'll take any ideas anyone has. I don't think i've ever used such foul language before. Ok, deep breath.

    Thanks for listening!

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    Look and see what affilliate programs they are promoting and report it to them.
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    Ok, I will write one of them today and see if they do anything, I think they will. The other one is 888 and it's doubtful they will do anything but I will certainly bug the hell out of them.

    Thanks Randy!

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    This is the exact same scraper I posted about the other day.

    Funny, although many views no one posted anything. (Maybe no one understands the importance of a scraper being able to boot ALL RESULTS for any specific term....or they aren't bothered until the results are seen affecting their own terms.)

    Mojo, I searched for the term "no deposit mojo" (without quotes) and see that the scraper has commanded 4 of the first 10 results. This is the SAME scraper as in my examples in the other thread. In this case the sites:

    xxhttp://2897.wjggofd.org/
    xxhttp://1778.npbtegv.org/
    xxhttp://3520.eriioli.org/
    xxhttp://5384.tgvxgfr.org/

    all go to the same place. I see 2 different templated search sites shown. The links shown on the search pages are all from the same IP.

    What I would like to determine is what IP the actual spider doing the scraping is coming from so we could all ban the IP.

    I will probably ban the IP that the search pages are on, but that may not do much if the scraper is scraping Google and not our actual sites anyway...

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    Apologies Rick, I read your post but did not comprehend it was the same problem.

    I have been trying to deal with this but it's a brick wall. Google may end up deleting everything including me. I've seen that happen. The best course I think is to get the casino programs to ban these affiliates. One program is Casino Blasters and I have written. Most of the traffic goes to 888.com however and we all know they will do nothing.

    I will block the ip but I don't know how effective that will be. They will still get there but maybe there is strength in numbers if we all do it.

    I am going to continue to complain, whine, bitch and moan to these affiliate programs. Maybe if we all do that as well?

    I am up for anything at this point. I know others are beyond frustrated too and maybe if we band together?

    I would like to hear more from all on this.

    Thanks again,
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    Well, like I said, if we could figure out the IP of the actual scraping....but that is moot if they are only scraping the engines anyway....

    Spam complaints to Google are read and acted upon....but it is a slow process.

    Scrapers like this are usually dealt with once the google engineers see enough of a pattern....and they react very quickly when they get enough complaints that terms completly dis-aapear such as one of the examples I showed....but they must receiev numerous complaints about it.

    If you use the site command on each of the 4 above, you will find that only one result is indexed in each case. All 4 are a form of no deposit term.

    If you use the site command in each of the 4 above using only the parent domain, each has a result in the neighborhood of 35,000-40,000 results.

    Each of these results is a spammed link back to the site, or the crap page that all does the same thing, steal results to show a search page.

    I also believe they are using cloaking technology to acheive this.

    Google needs to react better to these type of complaints as this is what is making their engine more and more UNUSABLE all the time.

    (Again, I will place a plug here for wanting to see all sub-domains devalued....not a popular opinion in all circles for sure, but one I have held for many years as I saw this coming a LONG time ago)

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    I agree, google is unusable. I do not have such problems at other searches. Google is just to big and when they finally take down 5, 10 more show up. I don't think they can keep up. I have written them again as more show up. I have written the affiliate programs again as well and waiting for a response.


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    (Again, I will place a plug here for wanting to see all sub-domains devalued....not a popular opinion in all circles for sure, but one I have held for many years as I saw this coming a LONG time ago)
    At the risk of seeming like I dont know, because I dont lol. Would you mind elaborating a bit on this. How does one devalue a subdomain?

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    Mojo, I think Rick means that google should rank subdomains lower than other sites in their listings, not that webmasters should conduct some "devaluing" process on their sites.

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    Oh thanks CityGuard. In my current frame of mind that is exactly what I was thinking. There are some I would really like to devalue.

    It's a great idea but I would have to weigh the reprecussions. Drastic times call for drastic measures however.

    Thanks again CityGuard and I'll just say "duh" lol.

    Paula

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    Google collects these complaints and uses them to help design new algorhythms.

    When you submit to http://www.google.com/contact/spamreport.html , make sure you fill in all the boxes as asked, and explain at length in the big box provided.

    When I was google bowled recently after 888 dismissed their worst spammer, I turned in new sets of 50,000 pages and more daily and google did take care of them.

    This site xxhttp://5384.tgvxgfr.org/ and the others mentioned above has tens of thousands of look alikes, and it used to be easy to turn them in but now they each have their very own domain. That makes it tough.

    The more people turn this in, the more action we can expect.

    I hear that google will soon come out with an algorhythm that should rock the boat a lot, the trouble is not so much getting rid of the spammers as preventing innocents from getting tangled up in the net.

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    Dominique,

    May I refer you to this thread (in case you missed it) as you may find it interesting that I had found one term in particular that was taken down to single result.

    https://www.gpwa.org/forum/you-targeted-167710.html

    And what's humorus is that the number one result for microgamingcasinos.htm is now that thread....

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    Thanks Domonique for the helpful info. Google is trying. They removed several but now I look and there are 8 new ones when you search nodepositmojo on page one.

    In the interim, while google struggles with this, I have put up a short blurb on the front pages of my sites recommending using a different search engine. I will make a full page explaining the situation and provide a link over the weekend. I also have a large gambling targeted mailing list I will send out to educate and post on our forum as well. Since there is not much we can do at this point, I am taking it to the people. Not that it will even put a dent in anything but if I take even one player from this (these) idiot(s) it will be a small victory.

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    Lol rick top spot, excellent!

    I have written a page and put the link on my front pages. 2nd opinions are welcome.

    Thanks,
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    Good to see you again!

    I have blacklisted 888 over this, and they have done considerable work to clean this up.

    Currently I have blacklisted Cpays over it, and they did react by including the google guidelines in their SEO contest.

    Our best bet IMO is to cut off the money supply to the spammers. They only spam because someone is paying them to do it.

    But Mojo's idea of adding a page to our sites educating surfers about spam sites is also a good one.

    We could easily link to one another's pages and just including some major sites in this will pull these pages way up in the SERPS. We saw this happen with the blacklisting of 888.

    We really don't have to be helpless and hapless victims here, together we are considerably stronger than the Blackhatters.

    We could dominate the keyword "blackhat SEO" etc. with educational pages about why this is bad. Someone looking to hire blackhats would see this first, maybe read and be influenced, maybe be influenced by the fact that the BH guys cannot dominate their own terms.

    If we really wanted to, we could make a difference.

    For those at GPWA who remember me, I guess I haven't changed much.

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    Thank you Dominique. We really have a fighting chance here. With your expertise, resources and ability to get folks together for a common goal I really feel we can knock them down. We don't have to rely on others and wait and wait for something to be done. We have our own weapons.

    I will be glad to link with anyone who is interested. Let's rock!

    Paula

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    I have made a page, Mojo, and linked it to yours. Here:

    http://www.gamesandcasino.com/blackh...ck-hat-seo.htm

    Anyone else with pages explaining this problem, I will be happy to link to you also.

    If enough of us do this and interlink, we will be able to rank nicely for these terms.

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    Thank you Dominique. I have linked you as well here.

    http://nodepositmojo.com/alternative_search_engines.htm

    I will link with anyone who would like to as well. I will also be adding other sites.

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    Thumbs up There is allot more!!

    Here is a briefer from today. I only captured a few, time is precious right now.

    xnoname.opole.pl/
    x669.fetjewl.org
    xcasino.roulette.pila.pl
    xkjbsdu1.info/
    xbelostermifa.info
    xbctao.org/

    I would suggest paying attention to the domain and not the sub domain. Block the IP range and not just a single IP.

    For instance x669.fetjewl.org concentrate on fetjewl.org find the domain range and block. I would also suggest taking a gander at other sites to get an idea as to what is new and coming threw the pipe. Block them before they even have chance of getting set up.

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    Thumbs up mojo

    Hey mojo I understand your fustration, we have all been through this. What I am going to do is take care of these three and then tell you what I did. As per the site reference letter I found it was partly true. Having a good hosting company who are up to speed with current issues is very helpful.

    What the GPWA found out on similiar queries is true and accurate. I have found the same results.
    In any case I found these today on google. Bare in mind the below are sub domains, the number in front represents the number of site the person has out there. Could be more or less. For instance if you typed in you address bar 1033cwtz.org/ a similiar would appear.

    I will mainly concentrate on ip's or isp' and email addresses. Next Instead of submitting them to google as content theft, I will submitt as a spam result. In the comment box I will say a few things then end with saying jagger. Although I can't make any promises these should be gone within 24 hours.

    1035.cwtz.org/
    3556.ccidj.org/
    105.djogcy.org/


    Hang in there!

    greek39
    Last edited by pgaming; 26 August 2006 at 10:37 am.

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    Hi greek,

    I can't thank you enough for your post. I am researching what you are saying and I have a couple of questions.

    When writing google, I should put the ip instead of the link like this
    74.52.77.31
    instead of
    1035.cwtz.org/

    or both?

    I am having trouble finding the email address.

    I will ALWAYS use jagger, thank you!

    greek, your post explaining the most effective way to contact google is invaluable. Normally, the way I have been doing it, I only see results after 2 weeks and they are finally removed. Then 20 more show up.
    If they remove it daily (or close enough), as soon as they show up again I will write them again and not give up. I know google is trying to come up with something. All of us reporting this constantly is key IMHO.

    No one can keep up with the thousands of them but I can do my little corner. If we all do that, I imagine we can make a difference. Along with writing affiliate managers and making educational pages for surfers.

    Sharing our knowledge with others creates an entire network of webmasters to at least TRY to stop this before all our stats crash.


    Cheers!

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