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    South Africa Ohio lol. First Rich did not take your money, nor does he owe you money as he never took it. Why are you not going after who did take it?

    Anyway just my 2 cents and some common sense.
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    you don’t really read what I write or ?

    common sense is that he should get me my money if he knows the guy so well
    i spoke with the guy 2 times

    and common sense is to understand that Rich didn’t do it for free either so he earned his cut knowing we get nothing
    but hey not your money .. more important for you to protect a crook

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    Whether someone gets a finders fee, sub affiliate commission or whatever for making an introduction is really immaterial.

    Did the Rich fella give you "in writing" any sort of financial guarantee?

    And after well over 2 years, if you had a contract, and are in a jurisdiction where it would have been easy to file against the contract not being fulfilled, waiting as long as you did to open it back up likely is not going to get you anywhere.

    You stated you gave Ivaylo Kostadinov, not Rich the money....and why you made any kind of deals like this is at the root of the problem. Others have also stated that deals they entered into, although brokered by one person, the services were actually to be purchased and delivered by someone else.

    Making independent deals, is risky enough, but doing so without a contract leads to the kind of issue you posted.

    If you are negotiating with 1 person, but then another third party is introduced into the situation, should be a red flag and an indication to walk away from the deal to start with.

    People have made suggestions and offered bits of advice, or at least sympathy, and instead of accepting it you accuse them of trying to protect someone else, which is not the case at all.

    You most likely will not see any money, and for that I am sorry, but in the future you should only make valid deals with individuals that have a proven track record and are willing to provide signed contracts for services.

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    let me explain how it was :

    Rich has requested multiple times a meeting for the AAC 2015

    So we had the meeting than and he told me that he has this guy who is a genius in Google and is bringing great PPC traffic
    but this guy isnt good with dealing and negotiating deals with operatos, so he has taken this part from him ( im not the only one here, Rich has sold this deal to many other operators .. which I think at one point clears the question of how much he was involved )

    We wasn't really interested as it was a CPA Deal but than Rich said to me in the meeting: If you dont like the traffic you will get your Money back, no question asked .. so he guaranteed us the money back in the meeting and we agreed to the deal of 10 players each 250$ CPA and we transferred the money to him.

    Did the Rich fella give you "in writing" any sort of financial guarantee?
    about your quote and dont get me wrong here. this is what i mean ... in writing .. if someone scams you out of 2.5k and he told you i give you the money back ? are you than saying, because i dont have it in writing i will not ask for my money back at all if he doesnt pay me ?

    Its sad, that some people are pretty shut down and threatend by Rich friends ... but Im sure that Miles and Renee could shed a light into this and Im sure both of them will agree that they dealt with Rich closing the deal and Im 100% sure they also will confirm that he told them than money back guarantee.

    My replies are a bit .... caused it really pisses me off this behaviour and this excuses i hear from some people so no hard feelings for allfreechips or to you

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    If this is based in the UK a VERBAL agreement is just as legal as a written agrreement

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinSpins View Post
    If this is based in the UK a VERBAL agreement is just as legal as a written agrreement
    thank you.. its not based in the UK but as some stated he is a decent guy .. he should stand up to his words

    On the other hand I wanted to add one thing : I have given Rich de Wall other options as getting listed on his website to make the downfall but he refused this option as well. The only thing he did was asking is South African friends to come here and tell what a nice guy he is

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    Quote Originally Posted by COPCapo View Post
    thank you.. its not based in the UK but as some stated he is a decent guy .. he should stand up to his words

    On the other hand I wanted to add one thing : I have given Rich de Wall other options as getting listed on his website to make the downfall but he refused this option as well. The only thing he did was asking is South African friends to come here and tell what a nice guy he is
    I have to actually agree .. if I gave someone a guarantee I would expect some sort of comeback even if I wasnt LEGALLY required to provide a solution I would morally because at the end of the day it would be my reputation on the line.

    I have been in a similar situation and agreed it does leave a very sour taste, unfortunately it doesn't look like any solution is going to be forthcoming.



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    It is sad to learn of stories where someone that once had a good reputation among their peers in the industry, put a number of deals together that all seemed to go bad in a short time frame.

    But I think this sheds light on why having more in writing may have helped define who was responsible for what, and if you were uncomfortable with what responsibilities were defined, then you would have had more chances to cancel the deal.

    And who knows, had the request been made to have the guarantee in writing, been refused, it might have been an indicator there was something wrong with the deal.

    Even having the contract might not have helped, but I would likely not make a commitment on that amount of money without something in writing.

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    You should always have everything in writing.

    Even when you have a plumber or an electrician over at your house, and they do business with you, you will also need that in writing (a receipt or an invoice showing the work that has been done for you by them). It's the only way to go.

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    now it has been nearly 4 years .. no payment, no contact nothing at all

    I think its clear for everyone now that Rich de Wall is a total crook and there was no intent to pay anything back at all
    from him or Ivalyo

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